Posted on 08/16/2007 6:55:18 PM PDT by Smogger
Two medical helicopters enroute to Utah mine after report of new collapse
(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...
Talk to some returning troups; they’ll change your mind.
He has been to the and has spoken to Murray in the pass!
#225 In the wake of 2006s Sago Mine disaster, lawmakers in West Virginia and Ohio proposed legislation requiring mine workers to wear emergency tracking devices.
Very interesting. I am sure someone would have checked to see if the trapped miners had cell phones on them in order to triangulate their positions.
You got a scanner?
It should not take a rocket scientist to design a Tunnel Boring Machine (TBM) that could be quickly deployed to a mine from a central location.
The TBM would be designed to drill about a 36" hole through collapsed sections, deploying steel pipe in short sections as it proceeds.
A conveyor would deliver the debris from the new tunnel back to open area where it would then be handled normally to outside mine.
As it would be working in soft, loose material, it should be able to work very quickly, perhaps as much as 50-100' per hour.
Such a TBM, due to it's small width, would be easily transportable, one could be required to be available within, say, 6 hours at most from any underground mine.
If anyone with mining or engineering expertise can find a problem with this solution I'd like to hear it.
So leaving the borders wide open is good?
Another AirMed leaving the pad at Umed for Price.
All miners in current event have accounted for. One dead, eight injured.
Yes.
Maybe you and I can meet up at the FReeper picnic in Fresno. I like to talk about politics and Nascar. I’d especially enjoy discussing the names you like to call my president.
And said TBM would not be air-transportable due to weight.
In addition, do you have any idea just how slow a TBM is?
well...soon...just not yet
http://www.sycoleman.com/news/releases07.html
7.24.2007 - National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health Awards L-3 SYColeman Contract to Develop Cutting-Edge Underground Mine Communications System Responding to the Requirements of the 2006 MINER Act
SYColeman Corporation (SYC) of Arlington, VA, a wholly-owned subsidiary of L-3 Communications, today announced that it has received a contract from the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) to develop a robust and reliable wireless communications system for underground coal mine safety applications.
The passage of the MINER Act by Congress has highlighted the need for improved safety capabilities in the nations underground coal mines. These safety capabilities include not only improved breathing apparatuses and emergency shelters, but also the systems necessary for mine operators and mine rescue teams to communicate with and locate miners in both everyday and emergency situations.
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There isn't even cell service outside in that area, let alone deep underground.
The reporters are all jonesing for their cells, and they have to use an occasional satellite phone to get a call off.
It was the Pasta de Conchas disaster in Mexico.
65 men were trapped underground. After 15 MONTHS only two out of the 65 bodies were recovered and the search was suspended. Story here:
http://www.mexidata.info/id1394.html
You admit you have no mining experience, yet you have the solution? Book the next flight to Utah if you have the answer. Sheesh.
Considering that cell phones can start to lose signal inside buildings, I'm pretty sure they'd be totally useless under a 1000 feet of rock.
If they could be "triangulated", the cell-phone user could just call and say "We're at grid location xyz".
Who? (He’s on 1st)
Whats on second.
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I have no ideas whats on third.
I don’t know.
Be a human, just to start...
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