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Mountain Meadows Massacre (from LDS website)
Ensign, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints ^ | September 2007 | Richard E. Turley Jr., Managing Director, Family and Church History Department

Posted on 08/16/2007 12:24:15 PM PDT by DanielLongo

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To: tioga

So, who was it that was commanding Israel to do what they did? I’m assuming you believe in the Bible? You said your religion does not teach it. I show you where God commanded it. Not just the men, but the women, the children, cattle, etc. Everything.


81 posted on 08/16/2007 2:31:55 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: DanielLongo
I’m sorry but the kooks have me a bit serious at the moment.

There's been soooo much Mormon-bashing on FR lately, what with the Romney candidacy. It's bugged me - and I'm Presbyterian.

82 posted on 08/16/2007 2:32:36 PM PDT by colorado tanker (I'm unmoderated - just ask Bill O'Reilly)
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To: DanielLongo

Have YOU heard of the NEW testament? The Gospels? Are they not known to Mormans?


83 posted on 08/16/2007 2:34:11 PM PDT by tioga (Instead of "finding" yourself -- CREATE yourself!)
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To: DanielLongo

mark for later read


84 posted on 08/16/2007 2:35:09 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name after Harper's election?)
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To: tioga

“Have YOU heard of the NEW testament? The Gospels? Are they not known to Mormans?”

And your point is?


85 posted on 08/16/2007 2:36:56 PM PDT by HwyChile
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
There must be a Mormon running for political office.

Yeah, one movie in 150 years about the original 9/11 terrorism act on this soil is too much, right?

Couldn't have anything to do with the 150-year anniversary being a nice round number to deal with this, does it? (Nah, just look at how the media "ignored" the 5-year anniversary of the 2001 9/11 terrorist act)

86 posted on 08/16/2007 2:39:11 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: HwyChile

Jesus/God would wish for Mormans to massacre those defenseless unarmed people? I doubt it. It is shocking. The only saving grace is that the Morman leadership did not condone it. What religious leader would have thought his church would sanction those killings? He did not need a letter to tell him he had committed a mortal sin.


87 posted on 08/16/2007 2:40:27 PM PDT by tioga (Instead of "finding" yourself -- CREATE yourself!)
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To: tioga

You are not making any sense and you are talking nonsense. Nobody has ever said that Jesus or God or the LDS church ever told those Mormons to do it. Quite the contrary. They took it on themselves to do it.

From your warped logic, anyone in your religion that has killed someone means that your religion condoned it. There are plenty of people in your religion that have killed people. Does that mean your religion teaches it?

Your blind hate of the Mormon religion has made you not credible.


88 posted on 08/16/2007 2:46:50 PM PDT by HwyChile
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To: HwyChile
If you want to jump into a conversation try going back through the pings........post 51 started this.........from the article:

When Haight read Young’s words, he sobbed like a child and could manage only the words, “Too late, too late.”7

My comment:

Dear God, he murdered innocent defenseless people and he only regretted it after getting that letter? What the heck kind of religion would teach that killing is ok?

When he got a letter from his "church" he realized he did wrong, not before?

89 posted on 08/16/2007 2:52:25 PM PDT by tioga (Instead of "finding" yourself -- CREATE yourself!)
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To: Domandred

I’m kind of scratching my head too. I am a member of the Church. I just thought it would be good for everyone to see what the Church thinks about what happened, “officially”. There are so many kooks out there saying whatever they feel like saying, independent of the truth, that I figured this was a worthwhile thing to do. The article speaks for itself in my opinion.


90 posted on 08/16/2007 2:53:50 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: tioga
I bet that there are plenty of people from your religion that killed Indians 150 years or more ago. There are certainly lots of Baptist, Methodist, Catholics, etc. who killed Indians. Does that mean God teaches those religions to kill and does that mean those religions condoned it?

If you look back at history, there were lots of injustices. Our government allowed slavery, wiped out Indians because we wanted to displace them. There were also lots of people that killed Mormons, including Joseph Smith.

This story is just a way to smear Mormons. There are a lot worse things that have happened by our government and other religions than this one incident.

91 posted on 08/16/2007 2:54:15 PM PDT by HwyChile
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To: tioga

And you conclude that the LDS was teaching killing just because this one idiot cried when he read a letter saying to let them pass? You are so biased that you have no logic.


92 posted on 08/16/2007 2:56:16 PM PDT by HwyChile
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To: tioga
You said your religion does not teach it. I show you where God commanded it.

Are you saying God did not command it? Are you saying Jesus is not God? Perhaps you are saying He is a changeable God?

It was your comment to defend, not mine.

93 posted on 08/16/2007 2:56:25 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: Spok
***For further reading, try “Massacres of the Mountains:***

My favorite book on the old west! It will change your thinking about a lot of history you have been force fed by the MSM, from the Pueblo uprising, Sand Creek, Ouachita, Meeker Massacre, Whitman Massacre and many others!

Read it and find out what you HAVEN’T been told about these!

94 posted on 08/16/2007 2:56:54 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Ever see WILLIS SHAW backwards in your rear view mirror? I have!)
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To: HwyChile

-and I do not “hate” the Morman faith, I think it’s silly. There is a difference. The Morman “faith” taught that multiple wives were OK. Christianity has never condoned that. I do NOT understand it when the Muslims do it, nor that it was part of the history of the Morman faith.


95 posted on 08/16/2007 2:57:42 PM PDT by tioga (Instead of "finding" yourself -- CREATE yourself!)
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To: DanielLongo; Weeedley; Religion Moderator
This thread is not about the Book of Mormon. There are plenty of threads in the religious section if you wish to argue your point. I will kindly ask you to refrain on this thread.

Rather a narrow condition you put on the thread, since it has "LDS" in the thread title.

Why did you post it since there was already a thread about the Mountain Meadows Massacre running at:

HERE

Moderator, since the thread author wishes to limit discussion on this thread, should it be considered a caucus thread for the Religion forum?

96 posted on 08/16/2007 3:03:02 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (I think all legal Americans should get 5 votes apiece to make up for the "new" voters.)
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To: DanielLongo

When Jesus came he taught us a better way to be....we were to follow His words, His example.

No way do I comprehend anyone, whatever their faith, to march unarmed humans and slaughter them. How could this man have thought it was OK? That his fellow church members would WANT him to do that?

I can see for myself that the church at the time did NOT wish that by the letter he received, but how could THIS PARTICULAR man believe they would? It is beyond comprehension.


97 posted on 08/16/2007 3:03:27 PM PDT by tioga (Instead of "finding" yourself -- CREATE yourself!)
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To: tioga
I do NOT understand it when the Muslims do it, nor that it was part of the history of the Morman faith.

Do you understand when Abraham or Jacob (Israel) did it?

How about...Do you understand this is not a theological discussion on religion? It is a thread about a movie and an historical event. If you can't help spewing your bigotry, try the religion section. That's what it is there for.

98 posted on 08/16/2007 3:04:27 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: DanielLongo

I WAS commenting on this particular man. NOT the entire religion. My response leading to that were my responses to YOUR posts to me.


99 posted on 08/16/2007 3:05:39 PM PDT by tioga (Instead of "finding" yourself -- CREATE yourself!)
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To: tioga
No. I am not letting you off the hook. You said your religion did not teach the killing of unarmed women and children or the massacre of men, etc. I show you where your God commanded it and you want to play word games. God commanded it. Your God taught it. You either don't know your religion or you want to rewrite God's word.

So don't play your coy little religious word games on this thread if you are not mature enough to face reality.

100 posted on 08/16/2007 3:08:30 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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