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Another Federal Gun Law Planned ("law is expected to add at least 21 million records to the NICS")
gunlaws.com ^ | June 15, 2007 | Alan Korwin

Posted on 08/14/2007 6:03:58 PM PDT by neverdem

Another Federal Gun Law Planned

This one expands the rights-denial list in NICS

HR 2640 motivated by psychopathic murderer

Calls for more "gun control" grow louder
No calls for gun-safety training or expanded carry rights can be heard

Dept. of Homeland Security to contribute to NICS database





GUN LAW UPDATE
June 15, 2007

 

NEW FEDERAL GUN LAW COMING
NEW FEDERAL GUN LAW COMING
NEW FEDERAL GUN LAW COMING

 

Dept. of Homeland Security to join in NICS database
Dept. of Homeland Security to join in NICS database

 

Rights restorations promised but fuzzy

 

by Alan Korwin, Author
Gun Laws of America

Permission to circulate granted

 

The House of Representatives, with unusual backing from both the NRA and anti-gun activists in the Democrat party, just passed HR 2640 on an unrecorded voice vote. The "NICS Improvement Act" will greatly expand the list of people banned from buying or having firearms, and now goes to the Senate where it will likely be fast-tracked for approval.

Using "gun control" and murdered young students as a rallying cry, the federal government has moved another step closer to a national computerized system capable of screening the entire population.

If tied in to a national ID card being developed through linked state driver's licenses (the so-called "Real ID Act" passed in 2005), all significant activity in the nation could be monitored under the guise of crime control.

In typical fashion, the bill coerces states into cooperation with promises of grants and threats of withheld funding, depending on their degree of compliance. It is unlikely that states will be able to afford to resist, compromising any remaining sovereignty they have. The net effect will be to hasten centralized...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; communistgoals; healthypeople2010; hr2640
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1 posted on 08/14/2007 6:04:02 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
Michael Yon: Three Marks on the Horizon

The Left's Lust for Revolutionary Transformation

HR 2640: Sensible Solution or Trojan Horse?

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2 posted on 08/14/2007 6:18:47 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

For every new gun law enacted, two existing ones should have to be repealed.


3 posted on 08/14/2007 6:28:38 PM PDT by GnL
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To: All

BUMP-—>time for action!

(are democrats really this stupid?!)


4 posted on 08/14/2007 6:44:47 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: GnL

I have absolutely no problem with those judged mentally incompetent being barred from owning handguns.


5 posted on 08/14/2007 6:45:20 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: neverdem

time to permanently outsmart the dems. put them out of their misery.


6 posted on 08/14/2007 6:45:57 PM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END WELFARE.)
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To: neverdem

time to permanently outsmart the dems. put them out of their misery.


7 posted on 08/14/2007 6:46:04 PM PDT by television is just wrong (deport all illegal aliens NOW. Put all AMERICANS TO WORK FIRST. END WELFARE.)
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To: neverdem
The House of Representatives, with unusual backing from both the NRA and anti-gun activists in the Democrat party, just passed HR 2640 on an unrecorded voice vote.

Cowards.

8 posted on 08/14/2007 6:50:10 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

In theory I don’t either. What I do have a problem with is knee-jerk legislation designed to appease the very vocal gun grabbers who would love to see us continue to slide down the slippery slope (and if you don’t think we are on that slope, better think again). Gun control has nothing to do with crime.


9 posted on 08/14/2007 6:53:37 PM PDT by GnL
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“I have absolutely no problem with those judged mentally incompetent being barred from owning handguns.”

That’s how they get you with their “reasonable” gun regulations. How will you feel when an unelected judge or Government employee decides, in secret, that you might pose a risk to society and takes away your rights to even possess a gun — and you find yourself not only lacking a root to appeal, but even the right to know who decided you are incompetent to possess a weapon?

That is what this new legislation permits.

When the left calls it “reasonable” you can bet you’re about to get screwed.


10 posted on 08/14/2007 6:57:01 PM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: vetsvette
I’m a NRA Life Member, so I won’t support any legislation that usurps an ordinary citizen’s RKBA. Nut cases, like we had in W. VA. are another thing entirely, cause damage to the rest of us and damage the potential support we could have from those who do not own firearms.
11 posted on 08/14/2007 7:04:46 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: neverdem
Seems to me that, if we'd just EXECUTE rapists, thieves and murderers, WE WOULDN'T NEED A LIST AT ALL, now would we?
12 posted on 08/14/2007 7:15:46 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

So what is an “ordinary” citizen? Who gets to decide?

The problem with this legislation is that thew devil is in the details. Let’s say you are depressed as a teenegaer and get put on the list. Now you are barred for life becuase no doctor will ever let you off the list - why would a doctor take a chance on clearing you?


13 posted on 08/14/2007 7:18:11 PM PDT by Radio_Silence
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Eric, although I have obviously not read the text of the bill, what I have read indicates to me that the additions to the NICS database do not necessarily have to be cases where the individual has been adjudicated as incompetent.

It sounds like it may very well include anyone that has ever sought psychiatric help for something as benign as depression after the loss of a loved one.

Of course, no one wants guns in the hands of psychotics or other severely disturbed people, but this could be VERY dangerous new territory!

The devils in the details, just like in the CIR bill.

On the surface it sounded reasonable: when actually read, it was appalling.


14 posted on 08/14/2007 7:23:40 PM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I have absolutely no problem with those judged mentally incompetent being barred from owning handguns.

In theory this is a good idea, but remember it is a government employee who determines your sanity. This will be really easy to abuse.

15 posted on 08/14/2007 7:34:10 PM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

All you need is a anti-gun shrink to say you’re unfit to carry a gun and all yours are gone.

Don’t think this is exactly what they are going to do with this.

“Oh, you don’t like shrinks, sir? Why not? That’s a little paranoid, don’t you think?”

You bet your can there will be people losing guns who are not mentally unstable. They will paint you as one. How do you refute it? If you’re not a qualified professional shrink, who’s word is going win?


16 posted on 08/14/2007 8:08:41 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: Secret Agent Man

We’re so much better than the old Soviet Union, and from recent reports the New Russia. We will only violate your rights and take away your guns, they put you away, as “mentally incompetent”, for opposing the “correct thinking” of the Party, whichever Party it might be.


17 posted on 08/14/2007 8:21:58 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

1. The leftists and mainstream media have been unusually quiet for the last two major public shootings (VA Tech and the church shooting last week). Their normal modus operandi is to use incidents like these to trumpet ‘reasonable gun control’. Oddly, there have been no dem/handgun control press conferences demanding new laws. That should make one pause and wonder why the quiet response - but respond they will. They realize from the past couple elections that ‘gun control’ is NOT a winning issue. They will try to take advantage of the situation legislatively or through government fiat (read: regulations).

2. Don’t support a regulation or law just because you have faith (diminishing though it may be) that the current administration and executive branch appointees will safeguard your rights. Imagine the worst case that Hillary! or another marxist will someday wield those powers and ask yourself you are willing to sacrifice your God given rights to a communist authority.

3. At some point, you may be considered by the powers-that-be as crazy if you aren’t a card carrying member of Code Pink, Moveon.org, NAMBLA, or some like organization. “If you don’t support our agenda, you must be insane!” and therefore declared too unstable to possess weapons.

Food for thought.
Kit.


18 posted on 08/14/2007 8:25:11 PM PDT by KitJ
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To: Secret Agent Man
All you need is a anti-gun shrink to say you’re unfit to carry a gun and all yours are gone.

It'll probably be Judge, rather than a shrink. But they can be just as anti arms rights. After all, just owning a gun shows paranoid tendencies, yes? Add to that opposition to the latest Big Brother scheme to transfer your hard earned dollars to those who didn't earn them, and well, you're clearly delusional and danger to others, namely the judge and the parasite class.

19 posted on 08/14/2007 8:25:27 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

It may be right it will be a judge but is he going to give more weight to you or the shrink? There are also a lot of anti-gun judges? Think they want to take the chance of letting a nutball keep a gun and be haunted by that guy going on a shooting spree? Nope the safer course of action is to take yours away.


20 posted on 08/14/2007 8:30:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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