Posted on 08/08/2007 5:09:01 PM PDT by Calpernia
(Ames, Iowa)... The National Federation of Republican Assemblies, who calls themselves the "Republican Wing of the Republican Party," held a straw poll at its convention in St. Louis last weekend and California Congressman Duncan Hunter exceeded all expectations. Hunter missed receiving the official endorsement of the Assemblies by a couple of percentage points. After seven rounds of voting by the endorsement committee of the organization, Hunter received 64.8 percent of the balloting, less than two percent of the two thirds vote needed. After seven ballots Fred Thompson was the only other candidate considered. Hundreds of conservatives attended the event that attracted six GOP presidential candidates.
After the general Assemblies vote, convention delegates were charged with making a formal endorsement of one candidate. Their rules required that the delegates cast their votes while in session for candidates that they wish to endorse. Only candidates receiving more than 15% of the delegate's votes in the first round of voting in the second session were considered for endorsement. After that vote, only Hunter and Fred Thompson received more than 15% of the delegate's votes. After the seventh and final round of voting Hunter had 64.8 percent support, less than two percentage points short of the needed vote. Thompson had 35.2 percent. The assemblies made no endorsement.
Tom DeLay was the keynote speaker of the convention telling fellow conservatives that unless Republicans "get their act together" in a hurry, Senator Hillary Clinton will become the next President of the United States.
“Who understands that giving our enemies such as China generous trade deals is a fools errand.”
China wins, we lose is the rule of the day.
Bingo.
Now, they are threatening to seel off their treasury bills. Why we are in a position that China is holding so much of our debt is criminal.
“Now, they are threatening to seel off their treasury bills. Why we are in a position that China is holding so much of our debt is criminal.”
The only saving grace is doing so would hurt China more.
Amen to that. Hunter’s the class of this field, and I’m including Thompson.
Really, it’s not even close.
Support Hunter, because he’s the best for our country.
If you support the strongest CONSERVATIVE candidate, and he doesn’t win in the primaries (but he can win because he has momentum on his side), you can still vote for whoever in the General Election.
Not one of the issues I mentioned has anything to do with China, WTO or NAFTA. Those are separate issues. Hunter’s record on spending is weak. The groups mentioned above have a solid record on shining the light on excessive government spending.
“Hunters record on taxes is as good as it gets.”
So was John F. Kennedy’s, but he was not considered a conservative. He understood that you could grow the economy by cutting taxes. A growing economy means more money to spend on government directed social engineering. It is the SPENDING part that I am bringing up now. I never said Hunter was bad on taxes. I am strongly opposed to excessive government spending because it is indicative on a mindset that sees government as a top means of socially engineering society from the top down.
The early 20th Century conservative movement in America, above all, opposed this “Progressive” view of the role of government in shaping human affairs. They saw government as an institution based on the legal use of force and insisted on keeping its role VERY limited. People, for the most part, were left to shape society through voluntary interactions in “Civil Society”. This is a “bottom up” approach with government limited to the role of protecting people against fraud and violence. This was also the brand of conservatism promoted by Goldwater, Reagan and the Freshman Class of 1994, particularly in the House. With Hunter’s record on spending in recent years, there is no way I can see him as representing this tradition. I would not mind to see him in a defense or security related position, like Secretary of Defense, but he is not the leader I am looking for to return the GOP and America to the Goldwater/Reagan brand of conservatism.
National Taxpayers Union and the Hair club for Growth both use “free trade” votes in their weighing process, if I’m not mistaken.
I listed many of the votes they used, yet you have not addressed even one of them. Instead, you have gone off on a tangent over issues that were not even brought up. It seems that you are unwilling to defend the votes in question because they are indefensible. I could understand it if you said that you support him despite his big spending because of other issues, but quit trying to ignore that he is a big spender.
He is rated middling by these groups because of his constant promotion of INCREASED defense spending and INCREASED border spending and his PRO-SOVEREIGNTY votes to keep us out of stupid trade deals like NAFTA. If you backed those votes out of the equation, he would be solidly in the upper crust. That’s just the way it is.
I emailed the NTU asking for their list of 2005 and 2006 counted votes and how they are weighted. I got no response. When you get that info, then get back to me.
Who might you think proposed a 1% accross the board CUT for ALL non military discretionary spending last year?
“When you get that info, then get back to me.”
I listed the issues that have ME convinced that he is a big spender, yet you have failed to address even one. Even factoring out trade and votes for military spending, the votes I listed would qualify him as a big spender by themselves. He has voted for some big domestic spending programs that even the supposed RINO McCain has opposed. How can someone with a spending record worse than McCain’s be presented as the most conservative candidate in the race? Quit trying to change the subject.
He can defend his prescription drug bill vote himself, I don’t agree with it. All of 10 republicans voted agaisnt it though. He stands by that vote, so don’t ask me to justify it, ask him.
Sarbanes Oxley is NOT a big spending act. It’s a set of tightened acct standards.
But you are quite the cherry picker. Let’s try this on:
Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines.
Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad.
Supports balanced budget amendment & line item veto.
Voted YES on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment.
Rated 83% by the US COC, indicating a pro-business voting record.
Voted NO on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons.
Voted YES on making federal death penalty appeals harder.
Voted YES on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism
Voted YES on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC
Voted NO on $84 million in grants for Black and Hispanic colleges.
Voted YES on allowing vouchers in DC schools.
Voted YES on vouchers for private & parochial schools.
Rated 17% by the NEA, indicating anti-public education votes.
Take taxes down to zero for the alternative energy sources.
Voted NO on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels.
Voted NO on starting implementation of Kyoto Protocol.
Voted NO on increasing AMTRAK funding by adding $214M to $900M.
Voted YES on deauthorizing “critical habitat” for endangered species.
Voted YES on speeding up approval of forest thinning projects.
Rated 10% by the LCV, indicating anti-environment votes.
Voted YES on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years.
Voted YES on reforming the UN by restricting US funding.
Voted YES on deterring foreign arms transfers to China.
Voted NO on $15.2 billion for foreign operations.
Voted NO on Permanent Normal Trade Relations with China.
Proposes eliminating all manufacturing taxes to increase US hiring.
Voted YES on withdrawing from the WTO. (who do ya think pays those idiots salaries)
Rated 24% by CATO, indicating a pro-fair trade voting record.
Voted YES on prohibiting lawsuits about obesity against food providers.
Voted YES on limiting attorney’s fees in class action lawsuits.
Voted NO on campaign finance reform banning soft-money contributions.
Voted YES on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers.
Voted YES on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse
Rated A+ by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record.
Voted YES on denying non-emergency treatment for lack of Medicare co-pay.
Voted YES on limiting medical malpractice lawsuits to $250,000 damages.
Voted YES on allowing reimportation of prescription drugs.
Voted YES on small business associations for buying health insurance.
Voted YES on capping damages & setting time limits in medical lawsuits.
Voted YES on establishing tax-exempt Medical Savings Accounts.
Rated 11% by APHA, indicating a anti-public health voting record.
Voted YES on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan
Voted YES on continuing military recruitment on college campuses.
Voted YES on deploying SDI.
No US troops under UN command; more defense spending.
Rated 11% by SANE, indicating a pro-military voting record.
Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (he wrote the bill)
Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project.
Voted YES on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment.
Voted NO on extending Immigrant Residency rules.
Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration.
Voted YES on raising 401(k) limits & making pension plans more portable.
Rated 11% by the ARA, indicating an anti-senior voting record.
Alternative minimum tax is creeping up & must be reformed. (Mar 2007)
Voted YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends.
Voted YES on providing tax relief and simplification.
Voted YES on making permanent an increase in the child tax credit.
Original cosponsor of the Fair Tax
Voted YES on eliminating the Estate Tax (”death tax”).
Voted YES on eliminating the “marriage penalty”.
Voted YES on $46 billion in tax cuts for small business.
Voted NO on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers.
Voted YES on promoting work and marriage among TANF recipients.
Voted YES on treating religious organizations equally for tax breaks.
proposed limiting welfare to 2 years & cut welfare spending.
Damn near sounds like a communist, huh?
I LIKE it... I LOVE it... I WANT some MORE of IT!!!
>>>Damn near sounds like a communist, huh?
I was reading some of cfr.org. Did you know the Council on Foreign Affairs refers to Leon Trotsky as a revolutionary and comrade?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Trotsky
Eh hum.....Ya know, posting like that to me in public will make people talk!
/tease
You rascal, you know I was groovin on "Hunter tops" (the TV celebrity who wouldn't be famous outside TN without TV!)
I think Duncan would inspire a whale of a lot more confidence had he been on NBC's "Law & Oder" for several years. At least he hasn't been slippin back inside the beltway lobbyin for this an that with undue influence!!!
Now let's git 'em to tawlkin 'bout THAT!!! Bzzzzzzzzzzz Bzzzzzzzzzzzz Bzzzzzzzzzzzz (just some Waspish lingo, there)
Wull then... How ‘bout “That’s the way... Uh huh, Uh huh... The way I like it... Uh huh, Uh huh...”
If it was Duncan Hunter on L&O, the show may have had ratings!
:)
Is the CFR reference in this Trotsky link?
No, I provided that for background on Trotsky.
I’ll see if I can find the CFR link again. I was just ironically reading it last night and then saw your ponders on communism.
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