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American Spreads Hiroshima Legacy (traitor barf alert)
AP ^ | 8/4/2007 | CATHY BUSSEWITZ

Posted on 08/05/2007 7:44:36 AM PDT by enraged

Sixty-two years later, the memory of the atomic bombing of Hiroshima still holds such a grip on Japan that its defense minister has had to resign simply for suggesting the attack was "unavoidable."

Now, in a sign of changing times, the task of spreading Hiroshima's message to the world has been entrusted to an American, a citizen of the country that dropped the bomb on Aug. 6, 1945.

(Excerpt) Read more at comcast.net ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Japan; News/Current Events
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To: Turret Gunner A20

How far back do you want to go?


61 posted on 08/05/2007 9:19:50 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: muawiyah
They need not have built a single bomb to be a real threat in the near term future.

Tell that to Nancy Lugosi, Ted kennedy, Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer, Henry Waxman, Lynn Woolsey, Ellen Tauscher, Charles Rangel, John Murtha and all the other doofuses impermeable to the lessons of history. That a little nothing entity, wet behind the ears and fresh from "journalism" school succumbs to the same ignorance is no great surprise.

Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it...

Just saying.

62 posted on 08/05/2007 9:24:42 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: jamaksin
re: # 61

Begin with your first reason for blaming it on the United States and come forward to Pearl Harbor.

63 posted on 08/05/2007 9:30:49 AM PDT by Turret Gunner A20 (If we were meant to never shoot thugs, God would not have given us trigger fingers.)
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To: jamaksin
Yes, and "everyone" also seems to have forgotten just what led the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor.

Of course we all do. The "new" Asian co-prosperity sphere; and the only military entity which could thwart the intended Japanese military expansion and the capture of the Asian mineral and agricultural wealth.

64 posted on 08/05/2007 9:32:40 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: TheDon

Yeesh, didn’t this “journalist” ever hear of Iwo Jima? The Japs weren’t going to tolerate an invasion of their homeland. Period. Look what lengths they went through just to defend a crappy rock.


65 posted on 08/05/2007 9:38:46 AM PDT by boop (Trunk Monkey. Is there anything he can't do?)
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To: Publius6961
Yes, .. yes,...

Going back a tad bit more ... Japan as an active Allied in WWI got what in return?

Or, when did Japan's get access to northern China?

66 posted on 08/05/2007 9:38:48 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: TheDon
Agree. A lot of Americans, Japanese, and others do not know that a very significant portion of the Japanese Army had not been engaged. Understandably, the Imperial General Staff fell that they still had the means to inflict punishing blows on the Allies if they could just come to grips with them.

In August 1945, General Yamashita, cut off from reinforcement and resupply for 9 months, still had significant numbers of Allied troops tied up actively combating him in the Philippines. The determined Japanese defense of both Iwo Jima and the Philippines demonstrated that the Japanese had adapted their defensive tactics to Allied offensive tactics and could organize the defense to inflict significant casualties even when their efforts must ultimately end in defeat.

Here are links to two articles that give good detail to the situation being faced by both sides and the casualty issue:

OLYMPIC VS KETSU-GO : http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/war.term/olympic.html

(Operation DOWNFALL (the invasion of Japan) was divided into two phases: Operation OLYMPIC, the invasion in late 1945 of Kyushu,the southernmost of the four main islands making up mainland Japan and Operation CORONET, the invasion of the Kanto Plain outside Tokyo in the spring of 1946. Of the two, only planning for OLYMPIC was essentially complete when the war ended in August 1945. Completion of CORONET planning depended, in part, on the results of the earlier operation and lessons learned about Japanese defensive tactics. In the description of OLYMPIC, note that atomic bombs were to be made available for use by commanders at the operational level. KETSU-GO was the name of the Japanese plan for the defense of the mainland.)

CASUALTY PROJECTIONS FOR THE U.S. INVASIONS OF JAPAN, 1945-1946: PLANNING AND POLICY IMPLICATIONS:
http://home.kc.rr.com/casualties/

As for the peace/surrender negotiations, the Japanese were going to drag those out as long as possible to exact what concessions they could while continuing to furiously built up their defenses. Without the atomic bomb to knock the legs out from under the die-hard determination of the Japanese military and give the Emperor the opening needed to order an end to the war - and to do it quickly, the Allies were going to invade. President Truman's decision to use the bomb as soon as it was available was a political decision. It just might give the proud, stubborn Japanese the face-saving excuse they needed to surrender and it would give President Truman political cover with the American people when Operation OLYMPIC casualty figures began to be reported. This is the "inevitable" factor that the now-resigned MoD was referring to.

Stalemate was not an option. Combat-ready, trained, and equipped forces can't be held in absolute readiness indefinitely. Delay just makes the defenses stronger and the price paid to overcome them higher. The invasion would have produced very significant Allied (primarily American) casualties and would most probably have led to the annihilation of Japan’s culture and people.

Based on the comments from Mr. Leeper that you quoted, I somehow doubt that these “facts” make it into presentations that his organization makes. Fine. Just as long as they are recognized for the left wing, once-again-making-excuses-for-America’s-enemies propaganda that they are.

67 posted on 08/05/2007 9:40:02 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Peace based on respected strength is truly peace; peace based on weakness is ignoble slavery)
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To: snowsislander
It’s hard for me to believe that such silly and slanted “journalism” as this article passed muster with any news editor, even one of the most biased stripe. It should be in the opinion/editorial section, not in the news section.

Perhaps one of the most constant failures of youth is the ego delusion that each immature journalism graduate has that every other previous "argument" for the same lame irrational "explanation" that the use of the atomic bombs was "unnecessary" simply wasn't stated clearly enough.

They will keep trying forever. Their name, like ignorance, is legion.

68 posted on 08/05/2007 9:44:09 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: goldstategop
And I agree with President Truman the United States was not going to risk two million American lives on an invasion of the Japanese home islands when there was a faster - and more moral way

In the end, dropping the bombs saved even more Japanese lives.

69 posted on 08/05/2007 9:50:34 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: jamaksin
Going back a tad bit more ... Japan as an active Allied in WWI got what in return?

Well, we all have our predilections.

Personally, I'm inclined to go back to the late 16th century and talk about Hideyoshi's invasions of Korea, the Seven Year War, with the professed goal of conquering Ming Dynasty China.

Speculating about provocations to Japan in Neanderthal times would be fun too.

Just saying.

70 posted on 08/05/2007 9:51:59 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: Publius6961
Well, perhaps ...

For access to northern China (aka Manchuria) - the "more modern day" Root-Takahira Agreement (executed 30 November 1908). To note in the Agreement are the comments on the Philippines (American real estate from the Apanish American War).

For Japan's support to the British Navy during WWI - those formerly held Pacific Islands by Germany - those that became known as the Mandates - went to Japan.

Also, a comparison of the Monroe Doctrine and the Stimson Doctrine might add other perspective here ... but, the ball is a'roundin'

71 posted on 08/05/2007 10:04:29 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: snowsislander
Yup. This one's completely indoctrinated.
72 posted on 08/05/2007 10:05:21 AM PDT by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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To: goldstategop

“If the Russians had done it, do you suppose any one would care? There’s your answer. “

I agree-if Stalin had dropped the bomb, the Commies in the media would have considered it an act of heroism in desperate circumstances...


73 posted on 08/05/2007 10:19:59 AM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Turret Gunner A20
You can take that to the bank. We were on Okinawa stageing to go to Japan for the party. We were also well informed about our prospects if we managed to get ashore. Love that bomb.
74 posted on 08/05/2007 10:34:09 AM PDT by ANGGAPO (LayteGulfBeachClub)
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To: ANGGAPO

Absolutely, I was station in Okinawa from ‘87-’90 and have been back there several times including last year. Also, my wife is Okinawan.

I studied the invasion while I was there and talked to many of the survivors of whom are now dying off.

I cannot begin to even fathom the rampant ignorance of those who do not think the bomb saved lives... they are a product of liberal indoctrination from our own schools.

Furthermore, the History Channel has had testimonials of mainlanders who acknowledged preparing for an invasion and fighting till the death because the thought of losing was unbearable.

God you liberals are so mentally ill....


75 posted on 08/05/2007 11:10:04 AM PDT by Hubenator (Evolution is YOUR religion.)
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To: All
I read the lion's share last night (I know I'm a loser) of the "The Effects of the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey (1946)" at

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/bomb/large/documents/index.php?documentdate=1946-06-19&documentid=65&studycollectionid=abomb&pagenumber=1

It was a fantastic read, and grounded in FACT, including scientific cohorts of civilian Jap population before and after the bomb. The bottom line I took away was that the bombings (absolutely plural), gave the dove in the Japanese War Council the face to save to the hawks, so that almost unconditional surrender would not be shameful. Sorry revisionists.
This is for people who want the real, unpolluted, truth.
76 posted on 08/05/2007 12:21:23 PM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Pucker up Mo, and your dhimmi Leftist freaks, here comes your Jizya!)
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To: bill1952
Interesting screen name.

Catholic school. Baltimore Catechism..

77 posted on 08/05/2007 12:25:10 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: Captain Rhino

excellent, and thanks for the link. History is out there, but consult the primary sources, rather that relying upon shills.


78 posted on 08/05/2007 12:28:26 PM PDT by Harrius Magnus (Pucker up Mo, and your dhimmi Leftist freaks, here comes your Jizya!)
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To: goldstategop

Japan did not surrender after the 1st atomic bomb...

Gives you an indication of the mentality....Fight till the last civilian life is spent..


79 posted on 08/05/2007 12:32:27 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Taz Struck By Lightning Faces Battery Charge)
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To: goldstategop
Lurker here ,gone public.
This is again a moonbat lie to justify their smug superiority over the rest of us.Japan was prepared to resist an invasion and had well equipped armies still in occupation of China , Manchuria and the rest of the Pacific rim.The home islands had held back waves of fighter planes,bombers,suicide boats and manned torpedoes.Ever seen the pictures of thousands of citizens,male,female ,young and old practicing with rifles,knives and bamboo spears?U.S. and allied casualties were projected into 100s of thousands if not more.Go look at this creep's site,his peace Dojo,the weirdos he associates with and his earth mother prayers.Loathsome treacle.
80 posted on 08/05/2007 12:34:16 PM PDT by redstateconfidential (Despicable)
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