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Game Over: The U.S. is unlikely to ever regain its broadband leadership.
I, Cringely ^ | August 3, 2007 | Robert X. Cringely

Posted on 08/04/2007 11:53:48 PM PDT by HAL9000

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It is very doubtful, almost impossible, that we'll catch up to those countries ahead of us in broadband penetration. They are too far ahead and our native demand is simply less because our Internet economies are developing more slowly. Absent some miracle, the game is already over.

As I wrote two weeks ago, the situation is likely to improve somewhat over the next year or two as the telephone companies sacrifice a little to lock us in before we switch to DOCSIS 3 cable modems and the cable companies, in turn, offer incentives to jump to their voice products. But these companies don't think at all in international terms and they simply don't care about international competitiveness or the growth of our economy. They should, but they don't. And they don't because they have never had to. Though they are required to operate in the public interest and to provide public services, these monopolies have never been forced to consider our place in the world.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: broadband; internet; telcos; telecom
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To: Bogey78O
You know Arkansas would so be on that list.

I hope so. We'd be better off with Windstream or CenturyTel as our ILEC. We would see much more broadband deployment around the state.

I want to be clear one one point: I think you folks in the field do a great job. It's those bandits in San Antonio who are screwing up everything. I would hope that if AT&T does divest Arkansas wirelines, the local employees would be hired by the new owner.

101 posted on 08/06/2007 1:31:47 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

‘We would see much more broadband deployment around the state.’

That’s my point. You wouldn’t.

Profitable areas are competitive. Non-profitable areas depend on an overall push by the company to see any gain. Rural Arkansas would see broadband when everyone else sees it.


102 posted on 08/06/2007 7:06:02 AM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: Bogey78O
That’s my point. You wouldn’t.

I disagree. Windstream and CenteryTel are the ILECs in several areas of Arkansas. A simple comparison of those two companies against AT&T shows that they are already deploying broadband in rural areas far more aggressively than T.

SBC should have taken care of their existing wireline customers before spending billions on their acquisition spree to expand their territory. I believe that AT&T plans to let the rural copper wirelines rot - then eventually they will shut down and abandon the rural wirelines and tell everyone in rural areas to switch to cellular. (Of course, a lot of AT&T workers here will lose their jobs when that happens.)

103 posted on 08/06/2007 10:59:45 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

One other point - Windstream and CenturyTel are making good profits in their rural service areas. AT&T could too, but the refuse to make the investment.


104 posted on 08/06/2007 11:02:51 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

Once we’re all wireless, this will all be moot. It will be like bemoaning that the U.S. will never “catch up” in buggy whip manufacturing. True statement, but so what?


105 posted on 08/06/2007 11:08:45 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: HAL9000

Broadband data is not public.

Their profits are. And CenturyTel and Windstream are hardly raking in the dough.


106 posted on 08/06/2007 1:14:27 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: Bogey78O

They’re raking in plenty of dough. It’s difficult to compare Windstream’s performance since they just spun off from Alltel a few months ago, but CenturyTel’s income increased 5% over the previous quarter, and their broadband growth rate is 20% higher than AT&T’s.


107 posted on 08/06/2007 3:35:46 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: SamAdams76

Exactly. Thank God America has a lot of wide open spaces and a dispersed population. If we lived jammed together we would have higher broadband penetration like a Japan or a South Korea which is #1 or close to it in broadband usage


108 posted on 08/06/2007 3:41:02 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: HAL9000

When you’re at the bottom there’s no place to go but up. AT&T is the largest ISP in America.


109 posted on 08/06/2007 3:48:09 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: billybudd
My argument is that the big bulk of economic benefit comes within the first 250 to 500kB of bandwidth. What I don’t get is why we need 100mbit lines. Even the 3-8mbit lines available in most of the country are overkill for most productive applications

I agree completely. I've used dial up, dsl and Comcast cable which was blazingly fast for downloading some videos and Linux distributions and Windows Vista from Microsoft. I'm back to DSL because it's cheaper right now. It's annoying sometimes that it is slower than Comcast cable internet. But for real world productive use, not aimless entertainment, DSL speeds are fast enough for me and I would think 99% of business

Like you say dial-up was too slow but cable speeds are overkill

110 posted on 08/06/2007 4:00:59 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Bogey78O
And when a tech company fails to invest in innovation, there is no place to go but down. AT&T is a lousy investment because it fails to invest in itself. The only positive buzz they've gotten over the last year is their deal with Apple for the iPhone - and they even managed to screw that up with the lousy activation problems on their end.

I'm thinking about starting a grassroots movement to get Steve Jobs appointed to the AT&T board of directors - or better yet, make him the chairman. The company needs someone to repair the damage inflicted by former crook-in-charge Ed Whitacre, who ought to be sharing a prison cell with Bernard Ebbers.

111 posted on 08/06/2007 4:09:30 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

Your assessment does not hold...

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ao?s=T


112 posted on 08/06/2007 6:31:12 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: Bogey78O

The analysts are basing their predictions on the iPhone hype. Without that, they’d be selling.


113 posted on 08/06/2007 7:28:22 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: Bogey78O
Here is a relevant example of how AT&T operates -

Gizmodo.com - Several AT&T Stores Forced Customers to Buy Accessories With iPhone

114 posted on 08/06/2007 8:18:26 PM PDT by HAL9000
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To: HAL9000

That’s reaching. Sorry. But if that was the case they’d be saying “sell” or “hold”. Not the case.


115 posted on 08/06/2007 8:32:37 PM PDT by Bogey78O (Don't call them jihadis. Call them irhabis. Tick them off, don't entertain their delusion.)
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To: jveritas

>> I do not understand, what is the problem here?

Same question here.


116 posted on 08/06/2007 8:36:18 PM PDT by Gene Eric
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To: HAL9000
The people that told you that are losers


117 posted on 08/06/2007 8:39:58 PM PDT by raygun (5 times now as I downloaded porn on my iPhone, some "stationary" object jumped ahead of my vehicl)
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To: HAL9000
It is very doubtful, almost impossible, that we'll catch up to those countries ahead of us in broadband penetration.

That could be due to the fact that we are the 3rd largest country in the world and require hundreds as much fibre cables as these tiny countries no larger than good sized US metropolitan areas or states.

When China, Russia and Africa all have larger and faster networks than the USA, I'll worry.

118 posted on 08/06/2007 8:40:15 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: Bogey78O
Look at FiOS. There are people clamoring for Verizon to maintain the copper that they’re trying to abandon.

In my case, they cut the copper at the street, tied it to the fiber and used it drag the fiber through the conduit to my house. My phone line used to be crap — scratchy and staticy and too far from the CO for DSL. Now it's crystal clear, and I have 15mb/sec down internet (the ultimate capacity of the fiber is actually much higher).

119 posted on 08/06/2007 8:40:46 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Gene Eric

WOW, this thread got a lot of posts, I did not follow it up since I posted my question. Again, I am bit lost on what exactly is the problem? The US is the most advanced technological nation in the world so I do not know what this fuss is about?


120 posted on 08/06/2007 8:42:14 PM PDT by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush.)
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