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The Left Before The Fall
Politco ^ | August 04, 2007 | By Rich Lowry

Posted on 08/04/2007 3:03:00 PM PDT by mmanager

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To: Popocatapetl
RE: A Texan Looks At Lyndon

I remember that book and I remember Bobby Baker, Billie Sol Estes, et al.

I especially remember the death, in June 1961, of Henry Marshall. We all knew it was B.S. that he killed himself. Though none of us had connections with him or the Department of Agriculture; but we did know about Billie Sol and Lyndon.

They always say to find the guilty look for the one with the most to gain by the crime (JFK assassination) -- I've always turned it a little and ask who had the most to lose if there were no crime? That'd be LBJ. He was on the road to prison and RFK would be happy to drive the bus taking him there.

It's been decades but I believe that book described how LBJ built his telecasting and broadcasting empire -- he used his Washington influence to steal the licenses.

21 posted on 08/04/2007 8:31:03 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: mmanager

I have always held that the left finds opportunity only in their fellow Americans’ misery.....


22 posted on 08/04/2007 8:35:26 PM PDT by mo
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To: exit82
Yes, 1968 was definitely where it ratcheted up.

Jimmy who? was a media creation. Barack who?

I believe that a lot of the "good" liberals left the Democratic Party and were denounced as "neo-cons" by the extremists in what's now the Rat Party.

Though I will never, never forgive or forget what those SOB liberals "good" and bad did to Goldwater.

Note to Bill O'Reilly producers. The term "neo-con" is considered a "hate" term -- ya, got me there. Oh.. and also the letters in my text can be rearranged to form all kinds of obscene words so it's technically as bad as dailycuss.com -- then of course I did type in SOB. Just trying to help.

23 posted on 08/04/2007 8:52:22 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: theBuckwheat
Your post reminds me of the Velveteen Rabbit. When being told of what it means to be Real:

Does it hurt?" asked the Rabbit. "Sometimes," said the Skin Horse, for he was always truthful. "When you are Real you don't mind being hurt." "Does it happen all at once, like being wound up," he asked, "or bit by bit?" "It doesn't happen all at once," said the Skin Horse. "You become. It takes a long time. That's why it doesn't happen often to people who break easily, or have sharp edges, or who have to be carefully kept. Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand."

Leftists live in such a coccooned world that being a real person is nearly impossible to grasp. Soldiers have a sense of being Real at a very young age.

24 posted on 08/04/2007 10:30:17 PM PDT by boop (Trunk Monkey. Is there anything he can't do?)
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To: truth_seeker
"always, always, always remember in 1972 McGovern got obliterated by the Silent Majority who re-elected Nixon"

True. The leftists are so far out there that they will repel the vast majority of the American public, as long as the conservatives can just call attention to it in a gigantic way. Dirty hippies going ape-poop on national tv during the conventions severely damaged the democrats.

25 posted on 08/04/2007 10:34:41 PM PDT by boop (Trunk Monkey. Is there anything he can't do?)
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To: Borax Queen; Vicomte13

Lots of spot on posts here.


26 posted on 08/04/2007 10:44:16 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Those BP guys will do more prison time than many convicted Japanese war criminals ...thanks Bush!)
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To: truth_seeker
There were no new ideas. The ideas had been around for decades.

Well, sure. I never said they were fully new ideas. But those ideas exploded into popular culture in the '60s in a way that was unprecedented until then. Something definitely happened in that decade of turmoil and astounding change; no denying that.

As a 1965 HS grad, I know we were NOT all alike. We were NOT all druggies, did NOT all have shoulder length hair, did NOT all listen to music 24/7, did NOT all protest the war in Vietnam, etc.

Yes, of course. I never said or even insinuated that everyone was alike. You don't have to make that point with me. But the contingent of people that DID do these things you mentioned changed society in some profound ways, and altered the concept of liberalism from what it had been before the '60s. We are still suffering from those changes.

Always, always, always remember in 1972 McGovern got obliterated by the Silent Majority who re-elected Nixon.

Yes, but that seems a very small point to me, in contrast to the profound changes (most for the worse, in my view), that have been wrought upon society, Silent Majority or no Silent Majority.
27 posted on 08/04/2007 11:25:12 PM PDT by RepublitarianRoger
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To: RepublitarianRoger

“Always, always, always remember in 1972 McGovern got obliterated by the Silent Majority who re-elected Nixon.

Yes, but that seems a very small point to me, in contrast to the profound changes (most for the worse, in my view), that have been wrought upon society, Silent Majority or no Silent Majority.”

I suppose I am more optimistic than you. Since then, we have elected Nixon, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II. The dems have elected Carter, and Clinton—Clinton in part due to Perot.

Republicans can pull out wins in 2008 IF they have the political skill to point out the flaws with liberalism, as currently displayed. The democrat party has been pulled leftward, away from the mainstream of American sentiment.

At present the conservative movement is adrift, and the dems are doing a good job of portraying the right as extremist, which it is NOT, for the most part.

The Republicans need to demonstrate they are the mainstream, and the dems are the extremists.


28 posted on 08/05/2007 12:01:52 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Darkwolf377
This is a mere excuse. In fact, the left was excusing men giving atom bombs to Joe Stalin while Kennedy pere was making money on Wall Street and there weren't any sins to be found. Also, Kennedy being assassinated by a sin of a Castro supporting communist, not of "America". But the left after the fact wants to make it a sin of "America" because it hates blaming communist murderers for their actual crimes.

The left simply decided it sides with the commies, whose supporters in fact killed Kennedy. They also side with the PLO, whose supporters killed his brother. They would dearly like everyone today to think their idealist leftist heros were killed by fanatical right wing fascists, justifying their own drive round the looney bend to funny-farm, but in fact it was their own looney predecessors on the whacko left, who killed them.

29 posted on 08/05/2007 12:11:16 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: investigateworld
Right: Let them hate us, so long as they fear us. Although we'll send a check for them to stay solvent in the remote chance they'll pull themselves up by the bootstraps, even though we know they'll still hate us.

Left: Let them control us so long as they love us. Send as many checks as possible so they'll love us even more and not attack us. They might even invite us to cocktail.

30 posted on 08/05/2007 12:27:51 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: mmanager
Once at a bar, the bartender asked me what my favorite shot was. I told him Dealy plaza.
31 posted on 08/05/2007 12:29:10 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (")
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Though I will never, never forgive or forget what those SOB liberals “good” and bad did to Goldwater.

What did they do to him?


32 posted on 08/05/2007 12:30:59 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: txflake
Close, Reagan stopped with the checks and played hardball with funds raised from back channels .... long story, but read "Compromised; Bush Clinton and the CIA", by Terry Reed.

During my cop union PAC days, I shared many a adult beverages with hard core lefty union officials (they were wooing us to oppose the recall of California Supreme Court Justice Rose Bird and we played them along ;^).

While under the influence of various malted and brewed beverages, they admitted, "everything that is wrong with the world begins with the USA".

Modern day liberalism or leftist thinking is truly a mental condition/defect.

33 posted on 08/05/2007 1:02:37 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Those BP guys will do more prison time than many convicted Japanese war criminals ...thanks Bush!)
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To: investigateworld
The left refuses history. Compare the planet 250 years ago on all standards: ag output, life expectancy, commerce, medicine, transportation... to today. Without American persistence and innovation, everyone else would still be in... probably 1930 today.

And no internet for the left to bitch about everything, because Algore hadn't invented it.

34 posted on 08/05/2007 1:22:19 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: BigCinBigD

Cold man, cold ;)


35 posted on 08/05/2007 4:59:33 AM PDT by mmanager (Fred instead of Purebred, Crossbred and the Hothead)
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To: truth_seeker
The Republicans need to demonstrate they are the mainstream, and the dems are the extremists.

Right you are. I hope the conservatives can pull out a victory in 2008.
36 posted on 08/05/2007 7:20:15 AM PDT by RepublitarianRoger
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To: napscoordinator
What did liberals do to Goldwater?

Maybe I should have been more specific. I was referring to the 1964 election specifically.

Senator Goldwater, the 1964 Republican candidate for president, was so maligned that there were a few liberals who after the election published comments asking if they had gone too far. Did we destroy the man or just the candidate, some asked.

It wasn't just the general election and the Democrats, it was also liberal, internationalist Republicans. Rockefeller told his staff that, in the words of his public relations head, Stuart Spencer, "We had to destroy Barry Goldwater as a member of the human race." www.tcr.org/tcr/essays/EPrize_Goldwater.pdf

From the American Spectator,

". . .Goldwater, the first modern conservative to win a presidential nomination, the unending torrent of abuse verged on the apoplectic. CBS News solemnly reported the week of his nomination that Goldwater's first act after the convention would be to travel to Germany for a visit to 'Berchtesgaden, once Hitler's stamping ground.' And what will the conservative Goldwater do once there? 'There are signs,' CBS reporter Daniel Schorr said ominously, 'that the American and German right wings are joining up...' Got that? Barry Goldwater, said CBS in so many words, was really a Nazi. With a presidential nomination in hand, he was literally heading to Hitler's home to get the international Nazi movement rolling. The story, from the trip to Germany to the visit to Hitler's estate was, of course, false from beginning to end."

That I remember. What I don't remember is Walter Cronkite's attempt to tie Barry Goldwater to the assassination of JFK. He later apoologized it's been reported. I do clearly remember the efforts to tie the emerging modern conservative movement to the assassination, "the hateful comments from the conservatives made Oswald do it" it was reported for months after the assassination.

More.. "Equally hysterical was a liberal magazine that published a 64-page 'psychological study' of the candidate which began: 'Do you think Barry Goldwater is psychologically fit to serve as President of the United States?' You guessed it -- after claiming to poll over 12,000 psychiatrists across the country, the answer was no. New York Times columnist C.L. Sulzberger answered the question this way: 'The possibility exists that, should he (Goldwater) enter the White House, there might not be a day after tomorrow.' In case voters didn't get the message, Democratic strategist and LBJ aide Bill Moyers designed the so-called 'daisy commercial' that saw a child counting the petals of a flower disappear in the mushroom cloud of a nuclear explosion."

Well, you say, the Democrats pulled the "daisy commercial" after just one showing. I believe that that is correct; however, it became a "news item." I remember seeing the ad night after night on the TV network news. So tens of millions saw it not just the few who saw the paid showing.

It was Barry Goldwater the psychotic war monger who would be rushed to the White House after the swearing in to push the red button and end it all versus President Johnson, the "peace" candidate. Some really believed that.

Shortly after Johnson's swearing in there was little effort to hide Viet Nam. Goldwater said later that "they told me that if I voted for Goldwater there'd be war."

37 posted on 08/05/2007 7:34:14 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Darkwolf377

” They are so self-obssessed, so angry over the failures and pains of their own lives, but they can’t get over it and grow up. They have to wallow in their misery, not exorcise it but exercise it. And since no one likes to feel they are to blame for their own misery, they want to take us all along for the ride—we’re ALL to blame, and we ALL must pay the price for OUR sins—the sins of people long dead, people none of us ever met.”

You and I think alike. I often told people that “ libs don’t like themselves to start with, so why should they listen to you”

Your summary above adds to that. Well done.


38 posted on 08/05/2007 7:52:13 AM PDT by patriotspride
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To: BigCinBigD
The rancor against JFK surprised me. The night of the assassination jokes were already making the round at a local bar. Like many Americans I had no use for JFK but I did not dislike the man that much.

Though I had wondered in 1960 about the legitimacy of JFK's election given the Chicago and Texas voter fraud -- Nixon rejected valid claims to investigations saying that for the good of the country we should just accept it.

39 posted on 08/05/2007 7:55:35 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: investigateworld

Thanks, bumping!


40 posted on 08/05/2007 7:57:52 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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