Posted on 08/04/2007 2:34:44 PM PDT by mmanager
Mitt Romney engaged in a heated discussion about his Mormon faith with a prominent Des Moines talk show host off the air on Thursday morning. The contentious back-and-forth between Romney and WHO's Jan Mickelson began on the air (video link courtesy Breitbart.tv) when the former governor appeared on the popular program that has become a regular stop for GOP presidential hopefuls. But the conversation spilled over to a commercial break and went on after the program ended, where a visibly annoyed Romney spoke in much greater detail about his church's doctrines than he is comfortable doing so in public.
The footage was captured by the station's in-studio camera and posted on its website. But Romney, who is careful to portray a sunny and upbeat public image, clearly did not know he was being recorded. The candidate reveals a private side that is at turns cutting, combative and sarcastic, but most of all agitated at being forced to defend what he and his church stand for.
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“This is the start of the implosion that we nasty “anti-Mormons” have been predicting, and been vilified for. “
If Mitt thinks a simple question was bad, wait until Carville
the Snake gets him in the general election. Or Ann Lewis. Or
any of the other Clinton paid hit people. Mitt had better
start practicing now with these puff questions.
The more he refuses to ever talk about mormonism, the
more he looks shifty and evasive. If he really wants to
be POTUS, he will give “The Talk”.
Let’s hope he is knocked out of the primaries and never
makes it to the general election.
ampu
Do you know what “A Mormon Perfect Union” means?
Advocating a religous test ain’t they way to go if you really believe that statement.
I hope everyone saw the joke!
All Freedom loving and Pro-Life Mitt Sympathizers remember this link if Rudy wins the nomination and he is shut out because of religion. All Mitt needs is over 200,000 internet votes to guarantee a spot on Unity 2008 ticket. Here’s hoping for a Mitt/Zell Miller or Lieberman 2008 ticket!
Spiff,
“This is the giant cow pie that the anti-Mormon bigots always hide behind when called on their constant bigotry in the Mitt Romney threads. And its stupid. “Oh, we’re just showing how most Americans are going to react to a Mormon running for President and if Romney can’t take the heat...blah, blah, blah...” No one believes it.”
I believe it, based on this...
According to a Rasmussen poll, 30-61% of Americans will
not vote for a mormon. A uniform answer given across the
board and regardless of age, gender, party, race, etc.
Why do you think that is?
ampu
[Yep, if I believed in your logic, then I guess all of those speaking in tongue Christians should not be president.]
I didn’t say they couldn’t be president, only that they should be open to questioning and able to explain how speaking in tongues would affect their presidency. I think someone giving whole speeches in tongues might be a bit disturbing, I guess you don’t.
Jesus was never Caesar. That is to say, Jesus’ religious beliefs actually disqualified him to be a ruler. So why should you expect Romney to be immune from scrutiny?
Not everyone deserves to be president, no matter how great their resume.
[I guess that leaves, Catholics, ah, wait maybe not.
Unitarians? Ahh, no.
Pentecostals? No, see above.
Southern Bapists? No they were created on the slavery issue.
Who is left? Ah yeah, Liberal Christians!
Only a Liberal Christian can be president because they are grounded!]
And by your criteria, Satanists, Wiccans, Kabbalists, Santerians, Scientologists, Rastafarans, et. al. just get a free pass. Some logic you have.
But certainly you’d expect Methodists to reject Hillary if she was a hypocrite about her religion? Or wouldn’t that count?
Thank you. I love humor. :-)
There is only one basis upon which I could vote for the Mittster in the general election, families. [I won't stay away front eh polls regardless; it's too important that conservatives vote in Senate and House races.] If he can make the case to the American voters that his brand of Mormonism is superior to that of Harry 'the undertaker' Reid (who is so antithetical to what I had thought were mainstream Mormonism beliefs in life issues like abortion and honesty and morality--which Harry lacks in spades--), if Mitt can make the case, well, he has a chance with Christian Conservatives. Otherwise, I will expect Mitt to be a copy of Harry if they are painted with the same Mormonism brush.
It's like Ted Kennedy being the spokesperson for Catholicism ... the bloody pig is a servant of Satan as proved with his policies and embrace of abortion as an empowerment scheme for the DNC. If Mitt can sufficiently distance himself from demonspawn like Harry Reid, THEN Mitt might have a chance to be elected by conservatives.
MHG,
and you are prepared to participate in allowing
Mitt to use the platform of POTUS to advance the
LDS church? Countless photo ops, ceremonies, etc?
And you know it would happen.
Would you feel the same, if the cult we were talking
about was a conservative Hare Krishna? Saffron and
white probably go well together...
ampu
“And by your criteria, Satanists, Wiccans, Kabbalists, Santerians, Scientologists, Rastafarans, et. al. just get a free pass. Some logic you have.
But certainly you’d expect Methodists to reject Hillary if she was a hypocrite about her religion? Or wouldn’t that count?”
I count point to policy problems to all of those scenarios. Mitt on the other is advocation a moral view within the Judeo/Christian worldview/moral-framework. Yes, I believe you can be a “heretic” and strongly hold to that worldview. As we see in this post Mormons rank pretty high in Biblical understanding when compared to other sects. See here -— http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b408c8e570f.htm
What is interesting is that Charismatics rate the highest on Biblical understanding, but yet said that a Charismatic should be disqualified for office, because of their toungue speaking.
So obviously, you guys are not advocating Biblical understanding for a President’s fitness for office. You are advocating what is popular in the world. Sounds pretty unBiblical to me actually!
“Why would one be agitated to comment on what his church stands for?”
That wasn’t what happened. He was ticked off that some radio host set himself up as being more of an expert on Mitt’s faith than Mitt (who has held some significant leadership positions) then accuses Romney of not living his faith to the point where he should be excommunicated based on his weak understanding of Mormonism.
Watch the whole video, Romney acted appropriately and made his point quite well. I don’t want some wimp POTUS who can’t stand up to others and I don’t want a POTUS who thinks that everything his own religion is opposed to should be made a criminal offense.
Now it must be said loudly that most Mormons are very decent and honorable people. Dont care what you all believe, just keep it to yourselves, cause its not selling to anyone with basic Christian knowledge.
Actually, the Church is growing quite well thanks in part to our missionaries and our ranks of converts includes ministers (well, former ministers now) from many other faiths.
If our message was so weird and our doctrines so far off track, you shouldn’t be worried about us going around telling people about it.
I hope Mitt gets the nomination and is elected POTUS just to tick off all the anti-Mormon bigots.
It would be fun to see their collective heads explode when Mitt puts his hand on a ‘quad’ (The KJV Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price, in other words the full set of LDS scripture) to take the oath of office.
Bigot.
I have tried to look this up and explanations are so convoluted and full of incomprehensible jargon and strange names, and even the Indians get tossed into the mix somehow...
Looking into this from the outside you Mormons need to realize how the whole issue seems to be a lot of mumbo-jumbo to normal Christians.
Another cheap shot at Mitt eh? He looked pretty good, even to the Romney camp on this one. Nice try but Mitt will continue to do well.
-—Looks like the bigots have found this thread and are doing their level best to muck it up with their lies, smears, and nasty religious intolerance. I really thought that FReepers were better than this, but the behavior of these jerks have made me realize that I was wrong. I’m not sure that I can continue donating to a website that condones this kind of religious intolerance and harassment.-—
I knew there were some number anti-Mormon religious bigots on this site, but I didn’t realize that Free Republic apparently condones their behavior until this evening. I will have to rethink my commitment here. I do not want to be associated with anything like this.
Just to clarify.
White salamanders, white letters. Sheesh!
And I thought Mikelson was rude and boorish, never letting Mitt answer, and presuming to know more about Mitt’s church than Mitt himself.
Then there’s the whole issue of filming someone “off the record” without telling them, and posting it on YouTube for the world to see a “private” conversation.
I don’t support Romney, but I don’t agree with disingenuous “gotcha” conservatives, either.
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