Posted on 08/04/2007 9:06:20 AM PDT by wagglebee
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If this is the case, the pro-life movement and GOP candidates in order to be consistent would have to not only advocate the banning of abortion but also the use of birth control pills.
Not everyone defines abortion this way. While few people will say anything in forums because the vocal majority in most forums will react with anger and insults, many real folks out here in real life don't see this situation as abortion. I've read that a large number of fertilized eggs never implant anyway. Because of that, I don't believe that the unborn child is a person until implantation or possibly until a few days after implantation.
I couldn't care less when biological life begins. I care about when the embryo becomes a person. The law doesn't exist to protect biology. The law exists to protect people. I believe that around the time a woman can know that she is pregnant, the unborn child is (or almost is) a person. Therefore, I believe that any act that destroys a known pregnancy should be illegal unless there is some circumstance that justifies that killing. Until that time, I'm not bothered by birth control techniques that try to discourage implantation.
Bill
Fat chance of the latter.
contraception=abortion. End of discussion.
This doctor is trying quite hard to blur the line between the “morning after pill” and typical hormonal birth control. Both are essentially hormonal birth control though the pill is different. The pill is not 100% effective because it doesn’t always prevent ovulation. While it is true that in rare cases women on the pill can experience failed pregnancies, that doesn’t mean the pill caused it. It’s important to note that failed pregnancies are actually quite common and the mother may not even know it.
If taking a birth control pill is the same as having an abortion than both should be considered the same killing procedure.
Therefore, if the GOP supports the use of birth control pill they are PRO ABORTION.
OK, who here honestly believes that taking the birth control pill is the same as having an abortion? Anybody?
If you believe that, seek help. In 100% of cases, abortion takes a human life. In a minute percentage of cases, the hormonal birth control pill, results in taking a human life. There’s an enormous difference.
Where did you arrive at your minute percentage data?
Even barrier methods (e.g. condoms)?
exactly right, which is what they should be doing.
I couldn't care less when biological life begins. I care about when the embryo becomes a person.
I agree. Primarily because I believe that people have individual souls given to them by God. These souls should be considered sacred and therefor should be protected by man.
The timing of the gift of the soul by God is where I call your interpretation into question. I highly doubt that God follows around each prospective mother, watching her every move to perfectly time the implantation of a soul. In your scenario the baby would not have a soul during the two to three week window between fertilization and when the woman would take a pregnancy test. To me, this belief seems contrived.
What if she would normally never take a pregnancy test until 1 week after a missed period but undergoes unrelated medical tests 1 week prior to her period in which the pregnancy is revealed? Will God have to keep track of our medical appointments in order to know when to schedule the soul implantation?
Without having any factual basis to determine or even guess at what point we receive our souls, I choose to err on the side of caution and advocate the protection of life at fertilization.
I used logic. The birth control pill is designed primarily to prevent ovulation. Secondarily, it is designed to prevent sperm from reaching the uterus. Last, the pill serves to make the lining of the uterus unreceptive to implantation of the fertilized egg (this would be considered abortive). It’s well known that the pill is not perfect at preventing pregnancy.
The following steps must hold true for the hormonal birth control pill to be considered abortive:
1) The pill fails at preventing ovulation.
2) The pill fails at preventing the sperm from reaching the egg.
3) The woman is actively ovulating and fertilization occurs.
4) The pill prevents implantation of the fertilized egg into the uterine wall.
Now, I’m pretty sure that even if a woman is ovulating and has unprotected sex with the intent of getting pregnant, it’s far from a certainty that pregnancy will occur.
You can do the math yourself, but it’s pretty easy to see that the cases where the pill can be considered abortive are extremely rare.
bfl
THANKS for the thread! WOW!
If you take that step the next one would be to outlaw non-marital sex altogether.
and we can’t have our laws follow the Ten Commandments, can we? /sarc
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