Posted on 08/03/2007 9:36:12 PM PDT by bubman
Yesterday, Mitt Romney went into Iowa radio host Jan Mickelson’s studio for a conversation about politics. At least it should have been about politics. Instead, Mickelson decided he wanted to grill Romney on the Mormon church and Mormon theology. (I also thought Mickelson’s comments on politics, namely that the President should overrule the Supreme Court when in the President’s opinion the Court oversteps its bounds, were a tad on the screwy side as well.)
Mickelson’s station, WHO, had a video recorder on the governor that was recording his off-air comments, something that Romney was unaware of. On the air, Mickelson stated that according to Mormon theology, Romney should have been excommunicated from the Mormon Church because he was once pro-choice. Off the air, Romney tried to gently tell Mickelson that he didn’t know what he was talking about. Although I’ve never heard even a snippet of Mickelson’s show before today, I bet Mickelson holding forth on something he knows nothing about happens on a not infrequent basis. The off air exchange (that once again Romney didn’t know was being taped) was at times heated. WHO today posted the footage on its website.
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I simply point out his actual words and record, and you just can’t stand that. Too bad.
Not true. The point is, he flip-flopped upon leaving MA and joining the campaign. He didn't run as a pro-lifer or NRA member while he was here.
And by the way, I probably jumped on that harder than I needed to. I get a little tired of disproving the same bumbling idiots around here who constantly post misinformation about Romney. There’s a crowd around here who is fixated on bashing him, regardless of the situation. And holding him to a FAR higher standard than any candidate in this race.
EX: Romney opposes granting chain migration or doing away with automatic citizenship to those born here of illegal immigrants?
Their answer: Why, he’s a RINO and doesn’t understand the law. When he’s the only freaking candidate with a shot of winning even bringing up the issue.
I don’t consider you in that bunch, and for the record, I like Thompson, but I am becoming more and more skeptical that he has what it takes. I’ve seen him in action as my state senator and was pleased though never impressed. We shall see. Perhaps he’ll prove me wrong.
As opposed to Ronald Reagan (signed pro-abort bill as governor) and George W. (McCain-Feingold...UBL as #1 priority...accepting 9-11 Commission recommendations, etc.)?
The regional bias stuff around here sucks. Let's not get into this "only the east coast has flip-floppers and bad politicians," thei nternet may break from the listing of facts denying this.
Flip-flopping and political cowardice know no state lines.
And I'm not supporting him for president unless he's ultimately the nominee against the dems.
No, Romney changed his mind on being pro-life well before he left Mass. You won’t find his signature on a pro-abort bill in Mass. But you will find his veto. On all of them.
Same thing with guns in Mass. He got a bill passed that was supported by the NRA and quite a few other pro-2nd amendment organizations.
I’ll freely admit that Romney’s position on gun control should be his biggest sticking point around here. Personally, it’s about priority #587 for me, so it really hasn’t been an issue. And no, I don’t think you should be able to purchase or own automatic weapons in this country. But I say that as someone who has lived in a city full of hoodrats who will go over the local WallyWorld, buy a gun, and shoot someone a few weeks later. A bunch of impulsive losers and not the kind of people I’d like to see owning that sort of thing. And I see the victims of their impulsiveness all the time in the trauma center.
And so what have you to say about Thompson’s Pro-Choice past? Both his running as a pro-choice candidate for the Senate and his representation of pro-choice groups as a lobbyist.
I don’t hold it against him. Men change. He’s also changed on campaign finance. So what?
Show me your most recent records, tell me what you believe, and that suffices.
Oh really. I guess someone forged his signature on his "Commonwealth Care" socialized medicine scheme, which includes taxpayer-funded abortions.
Wait, I guess not. Here's a pic of him doing it, with Uncle Teddy looking on approvingly...
Hillary, John Kerry and James Carville all thought it was the cats pajamas too.
It was a permanent assault weapons ban.
You missed my point--he didn't RUN as a pro-life governor. He didn't run again in part because there was no way he was going to win after that. He "suddenly" became pro-life around the time he started thinking about being president. If you think that's a sign of integrity, fine.
"I believe women should have the right to make their own choice." --Romney during the run for governor
"I promised that if elected, I'd call a truce - a moratorium, if you will...I vowed to veto any legislation that sought to change the existing rules...I fully respect and will fully protect a woman's right to choose."--ditto
Same thing with guns in Mass. He got a bill passed that was supported by the NRA and quite a few other pro-2nd amendment organizations. I’ll freely admit that Romney’s position on gun control should be his biggest sticking point around here. Personally, it’s about priority #587 for me, so it really hasn’t been an issue. And no, I don’t think you should be able to purchase or own automatic weapons in this country. But I say that as someone who has lived in a city full of hoodrats who will go over the local WallyWorld, buy a gun, and shoot someone a few weeks later. A bunch of impulsive losers and not the kind of people I’d like to see owning that sort of thing. And I see the victims of their impulsiveness all the time in the trauma center.
Whatever--my point was about his flip-flops and distortions, and he certainly has distorted about his experience with guns. The issue is honesty--i didn't mention anything about his signing of gun BILLS into law.
But since you brought it up, here's what he said while running for governor:
""We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts. I support them. I won't chip away at them. I believe they protect us and provide for our safety."
If you think this proves he's an honest politician, or as honest as politicians can be, we just have diefferent ideas about honesty.
LOL! "Your most recent records"? You mean, forget one's entire record, just your most RECENT positions? And why would I trust someone who's "recent" records say one thing and his whole record says something else?
And people call THOMPSON a pied piper?
"Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts. These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.” - Mitt Romney
Additionally, Romney has held leadership positions in his church. Were his political views impermissible, he would have been excommunicated. Furthermore, while in that leadership permission, he counseled women against abortion.
“I simply point out his actual words and record, and you just can’t stand that. Too bad.”
Yes, you sure do, on every thread that pops up about Romney. You wear blinders and can’t seem to see your own fixation. I’d love to see you NOT appear on a Romney thread, bad mouthing and trashing him. I think it is impossible for you to do that as I think you have a sickness here. It’s very psychologically unhealthy, you know.
Going to get something to eat as I’m hungry and you won’t shut off the anti-Romney spigot, ever, I’m afraid. It’s your raison d’etre. Nitey nite, sleep tight, and don’t let the Mitt bedbugs bite.
Okay. Now, according to you, and to Mitt Romney, the LDS church thinks it’s okay to forward abortion on demand.
Do you think he should lose his temple recommend for dishonesty?
Hardly. Most of them I ignore.
Anyway, he's already toast. Too many folks know his actual record now.
You make light of the passage of years of time. Looking at Romney’s record in office, it’s been conservative.
I note you mock the word “recent,” but if you’re really interested in the breadth of someone’s career (and I don’t think you are), you’ll kindly point out the bills that Romney signed that directly related to abortion.
Go ahead. Knock yourself out. I’ll fair far better with vetoes, I assure you.
And if FR had been around then, some of the same people on this board would have been making the same arguments against Reagan as they have been against Romney.
If those arguments had stuck, we would have missed out on one of the GREATEST presidents, EVER!
ROFL...
Implemented gay marriage.
Signed a permanent "assault" weapons ban.
Passed socialized medicine, complete with taxpayer-funded abortions.
Homosexualized the public schools.
Appointed radical gay activists to the bench and to positions in his administration.
Your definition of the word "conservative" is about as accurate as Mitt Romney's.
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