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Mitt Takes the Gloves Off
http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/g/f3863b1b-59be-4e66-be28-bd48562ec10e?comments=true#commentAnchor ^ | Friday, August 03, 2007 9:58 PM | Posted by Dean Barnett

Posted on 08/03/2007 9:36:12 PM PDT by bubman

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To: St. Ellen
"I have been away from FreeRepublic for a while. I last posted back in the Clinton years, during the Whitewater, Paula, Monica, Perjury scandals. Now that I have returned I am shocked at what is being posted here.

This use to be a place where conservatives and Republicans could criticize the liberals and Democrats and celebrate our own. When did FreeRepublic became a place for conservatives to eat our own. Its shameful some of the things people are saying about Gov. Romney. How are we going to beat Hillary if our candidate is so beaten up in the process by our own team. Wake up!

So well said! And what's worse is some of Mitt's strongest detractors support candidates who are unelectable or not even running (and I don't mean Thompson supporters). So they're beating up a candiate who can win, while promoting a candidate who can't.

"Romney was undeniably impressive. He knows how to stand firm and defend his position. I would love for him to win the nomination and do to Hillary what he did to Jan. Come on everyone, wouldn’t you just love to see that?"

He did do well, didn't he? : ) And yes, many of us would love to see him do to Hillary what he did to Jan!

101 posted on 08/04/2007 1:06:22 AM PDT by TAdams8591 ( Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag. Mitt Romney for president in 2008! : ))
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To: ComeUpHigher
Actually, my position is firmly rooted in the Constitution, common sense, and Marbury vs. Madison.

Every actually read it?

The last, and most important, clause:

"Thus, the particular phraseology of the constitution of the United States confirms and strengthens the principle, supposed to be essential to all written constitutions, that a law repugnant to the constitution is void, and that courts, as well as other departments, are bound by that instrument." - Marbury vs. Madison

102 posted on 08/04/2007 1:14:29 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats??)
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To: TAdams8591
And yes, many of us would love to see him do to Hillary what he did to Jan!

What, get snippy and refuse to come back?

103 posted on 08/04/2007 1:19:38 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats??)
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To: Darkwolf377
Mitt is going nowhere.

Remember that line when you are sitting waaaaay up in the bleacher seats of Mit Romney's 2009 inaugural parade. Romney is easily the smartest of all the candidates coupled with amazing organizational abilities.

104 posted on 08/04/2007 1:21:45 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: EternalVigilance
Great. So you have acknowledged no authority exists in the actual text of the Constitution.

Now go read Article III of the Constitution so you can understand the role of the Supreme Court and the federal judiciary.

Not only have I read Marbury v. Madison, but unlike you, I understand it. You cite a Supreme Court decision which declares the intent and purpose of the Constitution, but claim the Supreme Court doesn’t have the “supreme” authority to do so. Your position is illogical. Marbury is authoritative and dispositive for the very reason the decision was rendered by the Supreme Court pursuant to the authority set forth in the Constitution.

Now stop spouting ignorant positions unsupported by the Constitution.

105 posted on 08/04/2007 1:22:12 AM PDT by ComeUpHigher
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To: EternalVigilance
Jan Mickelson is highly respected...

For getting into Mitt's face over religion? Sorry, but in my book that is going way over the line.

106 posted on 08/04/2007 1:23:42 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: PJ-Comix
Remember that line when you are sitting waaaaay up in the bleacher seats of Mit Romney's 2009 inaugural parade. Romney is easily the smartest of all the candidates coupled with amazing organizational abilities.

No offense, PJ--I'm a huge fan of your PJ Comix--but I know a helluvalot about Romney. I shouldn't have said he's going nowhere, and frankly am not sure WHY I said that. In fact, I fear he's going somewhere, but if anyone thinks he's the man to defeat HRC or Edwards, they're nuts.

107 posted on 08/04/2007 1:27:43 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (PRO-FRED (Use all caps--it bugs the Fred-haters ;))
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To: Andrew_SoCal
People just cannot seem to get past the fact that he is part of a religion that is considered ‘outside the norm’ in American politics.

Which is starting to piss me off bigtime. I can't believe in this day and age that someone's religious beliefs are an issue in a presidential campaign. You don't agree with Mormonism? Fine. Neither do I but that is a PERSONAL thing. It should have NO PART in a person't qualifications for the presidency or any other office. I've seen some really ugly things hurled at Mitt because he is a Mormon. I wonder if those hurling such charges would also refuse the services of Mormon paramedics, rescue workers, soldiers, etc..

108 posted on 08/04/2007 1:28:41 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: PJ-Comix
BTW, I do think Roney is smart, and I do think he's got great organization skills--I know one of his big muckety-mucks.

Having said that, I see no compelling reason to support him.

109 posted on 08/04/2007 1:28:56 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (PRO-FRED (Use all caps--it bugs the Fred-haters ;))
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To: EternalVigilance
>>>It forces all businesses and individuals to pay for health insurance, for themselves, or for others. If they don't, they will face stiff penalties. That's socialized medicine, no matter how you spin it. <<<<

Ahhh....but Romney vetoed the portion of the bill that required businesses to purchase healthcare for their employees, didn't he? Yes, the Mass legislature overruled him. And as mentioned below, individuals are not required to purchase healthcare, either.

And that's still not socialized. The government is not running the system, paying healthcare workers (except in the case of the very poorest, which is being done in every state in the country, already). Meanwhile, you seem to think it would have been better for Romney to maintain the status quo of the government mandating that doctors and nurses render services to those who refuse to pay with zero compensation for it. And passing at least a portion of those expenses off on those who did do something as drastic as pay for services rendered.

>>>Sure you do, unless you're under a certain income. Then the taxpayers pay for it. Again, socialized medicine.<<<

Incorrect. Under Romney's plan you're free to deposit $10,000 in an interest-bearing escrow account with the state. If you don't pay your medical bills, the providers stuck with your bad debts can apply for that money. In other words, no need to buy insurance. But you can't just refuse to pay for healthcare anymore and cry and do nothing if you're involved in an accident.

And I note your complete and total failure to put forth a better system than the one Romney proposed, despite my urgings otherwise. Not even the framework of one.

I note your tacit support for a system that allows individuals to simply refuse to pay for medical services and for legal mandates that medical providers render services, anyway. So how would you classify mandated work without compensation. Tyrany? Slavery? What do you want to call that?
110 posted on 08/04/2007 1:29:26 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: bubman

Mitt Romney is going to have to “take his gloves off” again after Fred Thompson and/or Newt Gingrich officially enter the ‘08 Presidential race and start attacking Mitt and all of the other GOP Presidential candidates on a variety of issues! I also wouldn’t be surprised if any of the second tier GOP Presidential candidates seriously try to get some political traction going their way by also attacking both Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani on a variety of issues starting with this Sunday’s debate.


111 posted on 08/04/2007 1:30:25 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: ComeUpHigher
Marbury makes it clear, repeatedly, that the Constitution is supreme. Guess you missed that part.

Now, where in the Constitution does it say that the courts are superior to the executive branch, or that the executive doesn't have a duty to interpret and enforce the Constitution as he has sworn to do?

112 posted on 08/04/2007 1:32:01 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats??)
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To: CheyennePress

Ah. Pony up ten grand, and you’ve bought your way out of RomneyCare.

What a joke.


113 posted on 08/04/2007 1:33:32 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats??)
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To: EternalVigilance

More Pro-Gay Romney advocacy where he’s speaking on behalf of traditional marriage, slamming the mass legislature and judiciary, and speaking on behalf of the people being allowed to vote on gay marriage. And also advocating for a Federal Marriage Amendment.

But we all know that he was working double top secret agent for the gay mafia, don’t we, EV!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJXyDxMKv1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjC4lQ90Sas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXUE7VHeaTc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVrZf0bWobw


114 posted on 08/04/2007 1:33:57 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: PJ-Comix
Which is starting to piss me off bigtime. I can't believe in this day and age that someone's religious beliefs are an issue in a presidential campaign. You don't agree with Mormonism? Fine. Neither do I but that is a PERSONAL thing. It should have NO PART in a person't qualifications for the presidency or any other office. I've seen some really ugly things hurled at Mitt because he is a Mormon. I wonder if those hurling such charges would also refuse the services of Mormon paramedics, rescue workers, soldiers, etc..

Personally, I've consistently argued that Romney isn't nearly Mormon enough, and that his record is extremely liberal.

115 posted on 08/04/2007 1:35:48 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats??)
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To: EternalVigilance
I don't post ANYTHING that's baloney. And I'm very careful about it.

I cannot remember a time on this forum when I've been so accused. If it happened before it was a long while ago. Look for it and you'll find it. But it was posted two or three months ago, so it will take you some time. If you begin now, you might find it by sunrise. : )

116 posted on 08/04/2007 1:36:16 AM PDT by TAdams8591 ( Guiliani is a Democrat in Republican drag. Mitt Romney for president in 2008! : ))
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To: EternalVigilance

I also suggest you read Alexander Hamilton’s Federalist Papers to understand the authority of the Supreme Court to interpret the intent and purpose of the Constitution. Thus, Hamilton stated in Federalist No. 78:

“If it be said that the legislative body are themselves the constitutional judges of their own powers, and that the construction they put upon them is conclusive upon the other departments, it may be answered, that this cannot be the natural presumption, where it is not to be collected from any particular provisions in the Constitution. It is not otherwise to be supposed, that the Constitution could intend to enable the representatives of the people to substitute their will to that of their constituents. It is far more rational to suppose, that the courts were designed to be an intermediate body between the people and the legislature, in order, among other things, to keep the latter within the limits assigned to their authority. The interpretation of the laws is the proper and peculiar province of the courts. A constitution is, in fact, and must be regarded by the judges, as a fundamental law. It, therefore, belongs to them to ascertain its meaning, as well as the meaning of any particular act proceeding from the legislative body. If there should happen to be an irreconcilable variance between the two, that which has the superior obligation and validity ought, of course, to be preferred; or, in other words, the Constitution ought to be preferred to the statute, the intention of the people to the intention of their agents.”


117 posted on 08/04/2007 1:36:34 AM PDT by ComeUpHigher
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To: CheyennePress
But we all know that he was working double top secret agent for the gay mafia, don’t we, EV!!!!

Nothing secret about it. He very publicly sought and gained the support of the radical gay activists for years, and he gave them more than they ever dreamed possible as Governor. That record is crystal clear to anyone who doesn't have their eyes purposely closed.

118 posted on 08/04/2007 1:39:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats??)
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To: EternalVigilance

See post #117 and educate yourself.

Read Article III and educate yourself.

You obviously have no formal legal education because you wouldn’t be spouting such ignorant drivel.


119 posted on 08/04/2007 1:39:14 AM PDT by ComeUpHigher
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To: TAdams8591

Sorry. It’s not my job to document your specious claim. That’s your responsibility.


120 posted on 08/04/2007 1:40:01 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats??)
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