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Britain Can't Have Two Best Friends
Financial Times ^ | 8/1/2007 | John Bolton

Posted on 08/01/2007 1:08:23 PM PDT by mojito

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I'm glad Mr. Bolton continues to weigh-in.
1 posted on 08/01/2007 1:08:29 PM PDT by mojito
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Sorry. That should be “Ambassador Bolton.”


2 posted on 08/01/2007 1:10:07 PM PDT by mojito
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If Britain were really our best friend, it would share its ringtones with us.
3 posted on 08/01/2007 1:11:57 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Fred Dalton Thompson for President)
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What makes me sad is that they think that cameras on every street corner will replace the Royal Navy.


4 posted on 08/01/2007 1:15:43 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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Successive UK governments have taken Britain deeper and deeper into the European Union, all the while proclaiming that nothing fundamental about Britain’s status was changing.

Would you really want your security to depend on what the French do?

5 posted on 08/01/2007 1:16:37 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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‘What makes me sad is that they think that cameras on every street corner will replace the Royal Navy.’

Waht makes me sad is that people like you think we are that stupid.

We’ve just spent billions on the two biggest aircraft carriers outide the USN, several ultra-modern type 45 destroyers, the entirely new Astute class subs, 50% more Typhoons than the US has Raptors and many JSF’s to replace our Harriers and you’re still not happy!

And what has America done to encourage us to keep our defence spending high? Oh yeah, you elected the Democrats! :(


6 posted on 08/01/2007 1:57:32 PM PDT by britemp
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To: Paleo Conservative

‘Would you really want your security to depend on what the French do?’

Well America did in 1776. . . . . . ;-)


7 posted on 08/01/2007 1:58:29 PM PDT by britemp
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"Britain Can't Have Two Best Friends"

Why not?


The United States has no clear bf country.
Nor should it.

That could lead to entanglements which don't involve this nation.

8 posted on 08/01/2007 2:10:01 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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9 posted on 08/01/2007 2:12:33 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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The EU doesn't have a common foreign and security (defense) policy.

That each EU state can engage in independent foreign affairs, including military ones, is why the EU states are still considered sovereign states by UN conventions, and why American states are not.

Europe shouldn't have three of the five permanent seats on the UN Security Council, though (Russia included).

10 posted on 08/01/2007 2:19:27 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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Can we stop using the term “Special Relationship?” It sounds like us and the Brits will be going to Fire Island this weekend.


11 posted on 08/01/2007 2:20:25 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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I'm glad Mr. Bolton continues to weigh-in.

IMO, he was the brightest (only?) star this administration has had. And we had him for such a short time...sad.

12 posted on 08/01/2007 2:26:35 PM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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Can we stop using the term “Special Relationship?” It sounds like us and the Brits will be going to Fire Island this weekend.

Did you ever hear that great spoof of the Chesterfield cigarette advertising tune from a few decades ago? The spoof version was something like "Go to Fire Island, and you'll survey, the very best of faggots in the USA...la-la-la-la....even on a fairy boat you'll find a man, stops and takes big pleasure when and where he can. Ches-ter-fi-ELD!!"

I am sure it was produced in the studio at the same time as the real ad by the same singers and musicians, because it was completely professional with exactly the same sound as the real commercial. This must go back to the 70s, if not the 60s, although I expect it still shows up on "blooper" collections (although it was definitely not a blooper).

13 posted on 08/01/2007 2:39:54 PM PDT by SergeiRachmaninov
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LOL! I was born after the era of cigarette commercials, so I missed that one.


14 posted on 08/01/2007 2:49:14 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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Bolton baffles me with stuff like this: “the magnitude of changes in the status of the EU’s formerly Westphalian nation-state members can no longer be blinked away.”

I guess it’s State Department bureaucratese, of which I know little and understand less, but still, Bolton is one of my favorite state department warriors.

Most of the rest are mere insects who should’ve been stepped on and squished back in the Korea conflict.

What Bolton lacked was big irons on his hip, to borrow a line from a long-ago song.

I wish Bolton could have killed more UN dragons during his tenure. Fascist and communist blood running down the walls of the UN would’ve been worth, at least, a medal and a movie: “Bolton the Usurper in the NGO Pits.”


15 posted on 08/01/2007 5:01:43 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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“the magnitude of changes in the status of the EU’s formerly Westphalian nation-state members can no longer be blinked away.”

I will translate. The peace of Westphalia ended the 30 years war, in 1648. The basis of the peace was an agreement by the major powers on both sides of the religious wars, to stop interfering in each other's domestic affairs (especially domestic religious affairs) and instead each recognize the others as sovereign over their own people.

Understand that the previous period had been dominated by internal factions in each state, typically representing religious minorities, seeking and getting foreign support, as they sought independence from their kings, or tried to change the royal line to one more to their religious liking.

So, a Westphalian nation-state means the idea of a single representative of a nation that is regarded by all other governments as the sole legitimate representative of all the people of that nation, regardless of their political or religious opinions. And it implies they all stay out of each other's internal "hair", refrain from supporting factions abroad to further their own power, etc.

Bolton is noting that the period of these distinct, vertical states was historically an exception rather than an automatic thing or a law of nature. Before 1648, groupings much larger than nations (whole religious blocks) and smaller ones (factions, minorities, partisans) were at least as important as political actors as the states themselves.

Bolton notices that the same has been true in Europe, increasingly, in recent times. Party allegiance means more than nationality within Europe. Primary civilizational loyalties run to Europe as such, or to modernity, or to secularism, or to social democracy. For that matter, with recent immigrants, it does not run to those things, but to outside ideas. But in neither case does primary loyalty seriously run to, say, Belgium. Within Europe, he is saying, these are all more like local regions or US states, and not the sole representatives of the people within them.

To those who know the diplomatic history, "Westphalian nation-state" is shorthand that means that whole ideal or unified nationalism, as it existed in Europe from say 1648 to say 1945.

I hope this helps...

16 posted on 08/01/2007 6:36:39 PM PDT by JasonC
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The news reports I saw said you were mothballing the Navy. Sorry to arouse your ire. Electing Dems should make you worry that you might have to defend us. :)


17 posted on 08/01/2007 10:25:25 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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It is notable that the Prime Minister chose Germany instead America as the destination of his first visit to the foreign. Mr. Brown surely wanted to set a sign in both directions: to the US, that he doesn´t want to be viewed as America´s poodle, and to Germany/Europe that he´s not the EU-opponent as feared/wished by some.


18 posted on 08/02/2007 1:08:08 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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Absolutely NOT—ever ridden the Underground and had 200 kids all with that same incredibly annoying Crazy Frog?

And Euros are so “sophisticated”. My arse.


19 posted on 08/02/2007 1:24:51 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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Yea, Michael, our President chose Mexico as his first stop. That tells you something too, doesn't it? SmileyCentral.com
20 posted on 08/02/2007 12:12:44 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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