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Look sweets, no one needs to advertise mail order bride shipping firms - Google on “foreign brides” (with quotes) and you’ll get 175,000 hits. I don’t need to see pics of fat ass thongs on the Internet, I ride the commuter train every day seeing the real things. As we said, it’s nothing personal, pics or no pics, there are social ills here that these 175,000 hits illustrate, and they’ll be there no matter what you say or what insults you toss my way!

I'm sure you're not afraid of the occasional insult--sweets--but there are some very unlovely men out there as well as unlovely women. I just don't need to vent a chronic and unreasoning hatred at their lack of sexual appeal here on FR--it doesn't occur to do anything but ignore them. Why does someone who does not turn one on make one angry? I guess I don't have the kind of frustration that would fuel such a need.

But this mysogyny here on FR is alienating. I have seen several gangups of highly ungentlemenly "conservatives" behaving like LOUTS. Conservatives need women, and Thong Slut from Brazil isn't going to vote here, or stuff envelopes or make phone calls to the Senate.

One of the best writers IMO on the relations between the sexes isn't read much anymore--George Gilder wrote "Sexual Suicide" and made the argument that women civilize men and make them productive, that without them men were louts prone to criminality. He was castigated for sexism against women, but I found it instead a strike he was making against men.

The real failure of feminism, probably, is the failure of women to civilize men.

And boys will be boys, if they want to stay boys.