Now how can there be anything but good attached to this symbol of the old south???
Posted on 07/31/2007 10:31:05 AM PDT by Rebeleye
The Confederate battle flag used to hang in the old House chamber...next to the speaker's chair with the flags of Virginia, the United States... The battle flag is also a symbol of hatred and racism...Racism and slavery now are inextricably interwoven into the battle flag's fabric...The flag also symbolizes rebellion, insurrection and even treason.
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"We do find it very distressing that the Confederate flag has not been restored to the chamber where it has historically resided," Brandon Dorsey of the Virginia Division of Sons of Confederate Veterans wrote to Bruce Jamerson, clerk of the House of Delegates.
No, Mr. Dorsey, it hasn't, and it shouldn't.
The Confederate battle flag used to hang in the old House chamber, just off the rotunda. It was draped next to the speaker's chair with the flags of Virginia, the United States and West Point.
Those flags came down during the recent Capitol renovations. The $105 million project is worth checking out. Thomas Jefferson's Capitol building looks fabulous.
So far, though, none of the four flags has gone back up.
While standing in the quiet chamber recently, Jamerson said he and other officials are still weighing the merits of restoring them.
"You want an accurate historical renovation," he explained.
Contrary to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, the battle flag historically was not part of the old House chamber. Jamerson is unsure when it went up, but a painting of the room from the 1860s and a photo from the 1890s show no flags around the speaker's chair.
Nor would the battle flag even fit well with the statue of Robert E. Lee that stands in the chamber. The statue commemorates April 23, 1861, the day Lee accepted command of the forces of Virginia. No battle flag would have flown then because it did not yet exist. Its first use was in November of that year.
By Labor Day, Jamerson will present options to House Speaker William Howell, who will make the final decision on the flag. Hopefully he will choose a Capitol that welcomes all Virginians and not cave to pressure from Confederate heritagists and apologists who naïvely believe theirs is the only valid history of the flag.
The flag -- yes, I know it took many forms -- originally did represent the soldiers of the Confederacy, the average men who fought for their nation and not necessarily for slavery. History supports that view.
Yet Virginians cannot claim intellectual honesty while ignoring the other meanings it embodies.
The battle flag is also a symbol of hatred and racism. Even if it were pure up until the mid-20th century -- a dubious proposition -- the forces of intolerance seized the flag for themselves. The Ku Klux Klan, Dixiecrats and other segregationists used and abused it.
The battle flag is not unique as a corrupted symbol. The swastika, for example, was a peaceful symbol of good for thousands of years around the world. Nazi Germany turned it into a terrible thing.
Southerners are not equivalent to Nazis by any stretch of the imagination, but evil people twisted and tainted whatever the battle flag once nobly embodied, just as they did to the swastika.
Racism and slavery now are inextricably interwoven into the battle flag's fabric.
John Coski, historian and library director for the Museum of the Confederacy in Richmond, observed, "Many people today have a visceral personal experience of seeing those flags waved in anger."
The hate most strongly associated with the flag occured in their lifetimes. Any original use is distant past.
The flag also symbolizes rebellion, insurrection and even treason. The armies that carried it into battle sought to sunder a great nation.
The South lost, and the nation was preserved. Virginians today are residents of the U.S.A. not the C.S.A.
George Washington did not fly the British flag at Mount Vernon after the Revolution. Virginia should not fly a Confederate flag in its capitol. We owe no allegiance to that nation.
Though the old House chamber still hosts a few official functions, including the quadrennial meeting of Virginia's Electoral College representatives, it is primarily a stop for tourists. More than 100,000 visitors pass through its doors every year.
Some would see the battle flag and smile. Others would see it and curse. History justifies both reactions, and the state cannot impose just one.
"The reality is that all these varied uses are based on actual experiences," Coski said. "Regardless of what you want the flag to mean, ... it behooves you to understand why the other guy doesn't agree."
Coski takes no position on whether the flag should hang in the Capitol.
If Virginia has truly moved beyond racism, rebellion and intolerance, if it truly meant its expression of regret for slavery, then endorsing the antithesis of those convictions is not an option.
Hang the flag on your house if you wish to evoke Southern heritage, other historic meanings be damned. Put a sticker on your truck. Paint it on the top of your 1969 Dodge Charger. Pretend, if you must, that you offend no one.
Just don't hang it in the Capitol, in the commonwealth's heart, where all should be equal and welcome.
Yeah, the Klan used the CSA battle flag. So did the Dukes of Hazzard.
Whatever you think of putting it in the capitol, liberals think you can absolve yourself of bad history by simply keeping it out of sight.
At the samet time, liberals reserve the right to self-flaggelate about American history at any time in the name of white guilt.
Does this mean they have to take down the statue of Robert E. Lee? This is foolish.
This editorial has everything to do with political correctness and very little to do with “racism, rebellion and intolerance.” The Washington Post would be proud.
Now how can there be anything but good attached to this symbol of the old south???
Let me play devil’s advocate —
The Nazi flag stood for strong national identity, the end to double-digit PER DAY inflation, insurrections in the streets, and a very proud moment in time for many Germans.
Therefore, no one should mind if the Nazi flag flies over the odd courthouse, or in the legislative chambers, right?
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Sadly, the idea of a Confederacy unified under one flag was the very idea most of them went to war over. Most of them thought themselves “Virginians” or “Texans” but not “Confederates”. The “Confederate battle flag” was more a necessity of the fog of war (as were the common uniforms) than a statement of ideals or national identity.
I knew there was a good reason to keep that flag around.
“The flag also symbolizes rebellion, insurrection and even treason.” Sounds like the Democratic Party ought to adopt it as their symbol, based on what he wrote...
Interesting thought. After Katrina hit New Orleans the New New Orleans cry was to remove the statue of Robert E. Lee at Lee Circle. Many have protested against the statue’s removal. So the issue has been tabled. Like the immigration bill, it will come back up.
What the writer did not include about the swastika is that Hitler made changes to it that altered its appearance. Has been around for some 3000 years. A bar in NOLA, Ernst Cafe, has tile on the floor of the “good symbol” and a plaque on the wall with a brief history.
Google search http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/a/swastikahistory.htm
So “the forces of intolerance seized the flag for themselves”, eh? Remember when a rainbow on a flag was just a rainbow?
“The flag also symbolizes rebellion, insurrection and even treason.”
He speaks as if those first two are bad things.
Well said.
It's all about perspective. Our nation's flag represents all of these things to someone at some time. Certainly when the colonists banded together to forge a new nation it was treason against the Crown.
The answer to the "flag" controversy is not to be found in what the flag "means" to someone else, it is whether it is a formally recognized modern flag by the state. History belongs in museums.
And while there are episodes of racial injustices in America (including segregation, slavery, medical experimentation, and forced relocation) they are recognized as wrongs today and reforms have occurred. I do not agree with the above statement that these wrongs are inextricably woven into the fabric of America (although some will carry an endless beef against America over them).
Beg to differ...the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia did not represent genocide...besides, the KKK also totes around the cross and American flag. Does that mean you believe these symbols have been "twisted and tainted" as well?
Racism and slavery now are inextricably interwoven into the battle flag's fabric
So are ignorance and contrived hatred.
Dixie ping
As I owe no allegiance to the union. Which is why I do not own, say a pledge to, nor fly a union flag. Ever. There's nothing wrong with the Battle Flag flying anywhere. However if truth be known, they should have the First National flying somewhere on the Capitol grounds
A seccession is neither a rebellion nor an insurrection. If symbols matter, words matter more.
Haven’t I read somewhere that Nathan Bedford Forrest started the KKK as simply a social club? Or was I hallucinating?
You can go on back to Ohio any time, Chrissie.
Do you really think that northerners didn’t think of themselves as New Yorkers, Pennsylvanians etc. People think of themselves in those terms today.
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