Keep the battle flag out of the Capitol

The Roanoke Times ^ | 29 July 2007 | Christian Trejbal

[Rebeleye]

The Confederate battle flag used to hang in the old House chamber...next to the speaker's chair with the flags of Virginia, the United States... The battle flag is also a symbol of hatred and racism...Racism and slavery now are inextricably interwoven into the battle flag's fabric...The flag also symbolizes rebellion, insurrection and even treason.

[Centurion2000]

Whatever you think of putting it in the capitol, liberals think you can absolve yourself of bad history by simply keeping it out of sight.

Which flag did the slave ships fly off the coast of africa? Hint: Had stars and stripes.

[Dixie Yooper]

As I owe no allegiance to the union. Which is why I do not own, say a pledge to, nor fly a union flag. Ever.

Just keep paying your taxes, and for the sake of the children, make sure you play the Education Lottery, often.

[Leg Olam]

In another generation or two with the current education curricula most won’t know what that flag was. Even now if I were to fly the 1st National most folks in my ethnicly diverse neigborhood would think it was the Betsy Ross flag and the Missouri Confederate flag would be seen as denoting some pious or religious view.

[billbears]

Just keep paying your taxes, and for the sake of the children, make sure you play the Education Lottery, often.

I will admit a weakness when it first came out here in NC and threw a few bucks away. However it's been a long time since that. And I do pay my taxes because that is the law, currently.

[meandog]

Actually, Bedford Forrest procured the idea of the KKK from a group of students who began it as purely a social club. Forrest saw the potential of the Klan as a political instrument to counter Radical Republicanism and rabid reconstructionists in the South. At first he urged on its ability to strike fear but, later witnessing the awful violence and lynchings administered by the Bill Clinton types of racist rednecks that it attracted, he later ordered it disbanded. And most Forrest and CSA-hating historians, race card players and baiters, seem to miss that historic fact consistently.

[billbears]

As my grandfather has said before and his grandfather before him (who fought bravely for the right side), “Southern by birth, union by force”

[tgusa]

Ahh, thanks. Funny how history seems to often get in the way of political correctness.

[kcvl]

Christian Trejbal: The philosopher, mathematician and historian discovered editorial writing. "Who needs to finish a Ph.D.?" he asked. From Cleveland, by way of Indiana, Minnesota and Oregon, Christian Trejbal landed in Southwest Virginia.

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March 14, 2007

Update on Roanoke Times-Christian Trejbal

Charlotte, NC (TLS). The Roanoke Times newspaper and its editorial writer, Christian Trejbal, are apparently up to their eyeballs in an explosive controversy over the publication of the names and addresses of registered owners of concealed weapons in the state of Virginia.

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Christian Trejbal is 36, single, just came to Christiansburg last fall from Bend, Oregon to work as an columnist for the Roanoke Times, and has a Masters degree in philosophy from the U. of Minnesota (2000). He is rather liberal to say the least.

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Trejbal wrote, "A state that puts sex offender data online complete with an interactive map could easily do the same with gun permits, but it does not. ... There are plenty of reasons to question the wisdom of widespread gun ownership, too."

[Leg Olam]

What a twit.

[Virginia Ridgerunner]

The battle flag is also a symbol of hatred and racism. Even if it were pure up until the mid-20th century -- a dubious proposition -- the forces of intolerance seized the flag for themselves. The Ku Klux Klan, Dixiecrats and other segregationists used and abused it.

[MBB1984]

He looks like a child molester.

[Dixie Yooper]

Since I am only a 4th generation American who’s great grandparents immigrated here in the 1880’s, I have taken no sides in the war of attrition. From what I learned in my history lessons in Michigan back in the 60’s was that the main suffering the South was experiencing back before the war from the high tariff’s and trade barriers with certain European countries enforced by the increasingly powerful federal government, which was not the idea of the founding fathers. Looking at the amount of suffering experienced after the war compared to before, I am not so sure the South made the right decision. The only hope for victory you ever had was McClellan defeating Lincoln in the presidential election halfway through the war, which would have brought a peace treaty and would have resulted in the southern states independence. Ya’all were too independent from each other to create a real nation that would have held together, so who knows what that result would have brought.

[Mane in Virginia]

“Virginians today are residents of the U.S.A. not the C.S.A.”

Yea. It’s a shame isn’t it?

[GeorgefromGeorgia]

“Southerners are not equivalent to Nazis by any stretch of the imagination, but evil people twisted and tainted whatever the battle flag once nobly embodied, just as they did to the swastika.

Racism and slavery now are inextricably interwoven into the battle flag’s fabric.”

BS

[Long Island Pete]

Makes me want to stand at attention and salute...if I could stand right now.

[billbears]

Ya’all were too independent from each other to create a real nation that would have held together, so who knows what that result would have brought.

Most likely we would have ended up a looser based union with two nations. I like to think, unlike Harry Turtledove who takes some major leaps IMO, that we would have stayed out of WWI and much of what came from that (Mideast, communism, nazism, etc) would not have been the problem that it was.

Probably the CSA would have started much as these original USA did, and then morphed into a lesser centralized USA over time. As for line, I'm 8th generation North Carolina for the most part (well except for 10 years where an ancestor must have got lost and stayed in PA at the start) and part Cherokee.

Looking at the amount of suffering experienced after the war compared to before, I am not so sure the South made the right decision.

Well some of that suffering can be blamed on decisions by the Radical Republicans

[Dixie Yooper]

Well some of that suffering can be blamed on decisions by the Radical Republicans

The biggest problems I see here now is being caused by the Radical Democrats such as Easley, Hackney, Basnight and a mayor by the name of Meeker. It won't be long before we have lost our electoral votes due to spite from a presidential election 7 years ago.

[longtermmemmory]

The confederate flag deserves some respect as a historical artifact but NOT as a current symbol.

Under the law, the CSA is a failed government. Failed governments are extinct and do not garner the impramatur of an extant government.

the confederate flag in a museum, definitly. The confederate flag next to active government bodies? no.

[JamesP81]

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: when it becomes acceptable to ban public display of the stars and bars in the south, then the banning of the stars and stripes everywhere will soon follow.

[puroresu]

#####I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: when it becomes acceptable to ban public display of the stars and bars in the south, then the banning of the stars and stripes everywhere will soon follow.#####

You are exactly right. The same people “offended” by the stars & bars will be “offended” by Old Glory.