Posted on 07/31/2007 10:31:05 AM PDT by Rebeleye
The Confederate battle flag used to hang in the old House chamber...next to the speaker's chair with the flags of Virginia, the United States... The battle flag is also a symbol of hatred and racism...Racism and slavery now are inextricably interwoven into the battle flag's fabric...The flag also symbolizes rebellion, insurrection and even treason.
(Excerpt) Read more at roanoke.com ...
The Confederate Battle Flag wasn’t ever even officially ratified by the CSA like the Stars and Bars were.
Thanks for the information. Did not know that.
Your analgoy is lacking. If the German WW2 battle flag was hung arouund on occasion then I would have no problem with it. IF the CSA Flag was hung in statehouses etc. I would have a problem with it. A battle flag is a symbol of the men who fought under it - not the ideals of the “nation” they fought for. Consequently your analogy does not make sense - apples and kiwis.
Jefferson, author of the Declaration of Independence also stated: Whenever "any Form of Government becomes destructive" of the inalienable rights granted by the Creator, "it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government."
The full passage from the Declaration clearly shows the illegitimacy of the secessionists' action:
"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government"
Jefferson and his generation believed that revolution must be a sober action. I cannot think of a more light and transient cause than anger over losing an election. That hot headed stupidity by itself warrants the beating and humiliation the "Southern Revolution" received.
Ain’t nothin’ in that picture that ain’t purrty :)
Check out the link below if you want to see the idiocy these anti-Confederacy crusades can lead to:
http://www.courant.com/news/local/hc-ctcomplaints0726.artjul26,0,3178212.story?track=rss
No, this is not from the Onion. It’s for real.
BTW, notice that the Hartford Courant’s story on this issue is biased. Never once does it mention that many people do not regard the Battle Flag as a symbol of hate. Never once does it bother to give their view. Nor does it look into whether or not it’s permissible for Black Power or La Raza coffee mugs to be sitting on the desks of black or Latino officials, even though those mugs would actually be carrying racially aggressive messages, unlike the innocent mug that ended up being banned.
That article could’ve been written by some of the people who participate in these Rebel Flag threads here at FreeRepublic and it wouldn’t be any different than the biased report in the left-wing Courant.
Bump.
Well said and people better wake up!
I always chuckle when these threads come along.
The north won. Get over it.
Perhaps if Grant was more of a jerk at Appomatix we would not have to endure these kinds of threads.
You’d still be having these types of Threads we will always honor our brave soliders who fought for the Confederate army
It wouldn’t have matter what kind of terms Grant gave.
Meaning what exactly?
From the Roanoke Times on this article.
Total number of votes: 524
Agree: 6%
Disagree: 94%
Seems the less destructive, less costly solution would be peaceful secession.
That sounds a lot like the kind of abuse of "eminent domain" that so many people are up in arms about now. The "sovereign state" thinking it's entitled to take whatever it wants.
A lot of people take the Confederate Battle Flag as a symbol of a rebellious attitude towards authority. They forget that these Confederates had their own federal government, intrusive legislators, domineering bureaucrats, and all the rest.
Some of them had been Whigs and nationalists who transfered their allegiance to a new government. The fiery state's rights Democrats weren't libertarians in our modern sense either. They had deep commitments to the slave system and they often found it hard to cooperate with the Richmond or with each other.
The leaders of the Confederacy weren't hard-pressed little guys getting together in their garages or dens. A lot of them were wealthy slave-owners. Not a few of them had imperial designs. Some of them were outright crazy.
I guess the idea is that we'd all be free if it weren't for Washington. I thought that way once too, but 1) state and local governments can be quite oppressive on their own, as would an alternative federal government, and 2) there was a potential for even more chaos and misery than we see today: race and class and geographical divisions might well have been even more bitter in an independent South than they are now.
I can't say that the country won't ever fall apart. That's a possibility. But it looks like you're trying to tie a questionable cause to our national flag. The problem is that some people on your own side don't have that much love for our national union or its symbols, so your connection isn't as convincing as you think it is.
There, fixed it up a little bit for you. You like?
Beyond that, they are building up an armory of self-justifications for doing evil things to white people (again, qua white, because white) later on. This is like Ahdmadinejad and the Iranian antisemites going around bad-mouthing the Jews. They'll let you know what they plan to do about it later on.
One of the points that tends not to sink in, and which Jewish Nazi-hunters try to point out, is that Hitler didn't show his hand in Mein Kampf. He didn't lay out a program of extermination of the Jews in that book at all, and said relatively little about "solutions" to the "Jewish question". All of that was promulgated secretly by the Wannsee Protocol more than a year after the war had begun. You'd have searched in vain for documentary evidence that a Final Solution was in the works before the war. What was on offer was a series of grievances and some discriminatory legislation and low-level street violence, plus some incarceration of certain Jews, who were lost in a crowd of Socialists, Communists, homosexuals, Christian anti-Nazis, conscientious objectors, pacifists, and other "undesirables" whose "offenses" against the regime had been patently political -- not ethnic.
Oh, really? Well, why don't you just come on out and say it, Trejbal?
Guy comes from Ur-Liberal Oregon to North Carolina to beat people up? Does he hate Southerners that much, that he'd travel 2500 miles just to get in their face about .... well, about their being incorrect and bad and straight and stuff?
This guy's career trajectory looks like it's going to be colorful, exciting, and short.
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