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Congress HAS determined who can immigrate into this country, Caller-Times!
1 posted on 07/31/2007 8:47:52 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch
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More Americans killed by illegal aliens than Iraq war, study says

American citizens have no right to defend themselves and the federal government won't do the job. This would be alright if there weren't murderers in our midst.

When you start digging into the numbers the only ones that can be sourced with the feds are the number of American murdered in 2005: 16692
I have seen federal numbers for illegals held in jail ranging from 19.3% to 27% of the federal prison population.

Here's a sampling of USA cities wanted for murder. What you'll see is that in big USA cities like LA or NYC most of the murderers are Hispanic. Unknown are the % of illegals. In smaller cities the FBI will post the nationalities of the murderers. About 25% of the most wanted are illegals wanted for murder. This number agrees with the percentage of illegals incarcerated in federal prisons. +-25%

Pictures of top 10 most wanted in LA. Up until recent stories about crime in LA posted by the LA Times--the pictures included the nationality of the murderers. They were all foreign nationals and mostly Mexican.

Wanted for Murder in New York City.

Chicago wanted for Murder


Philadelphia wanted for murder

San Francisco wanted for Murder


New Orleans wanted for Murder

Pictures of suspects wanted for murder in Washington DC

FBI USA 10 most wanted. (two of 10 are Mexican nationals)

There are currently no exact numbers on the number of Americans killed by illegals. Part of the reason is that the government deliberately obscures the number. I talked on the phone with the head of statistics for the US Bureau of Prisons. He said his office wasn't allowed to publish the number of illegal alien murderers. Rather they were forced to put legal and non legal residents in the same category. I talked to ICE. They put out detailed numbers on illegal child molestors. However, they put out nothing on illegal murderers.

Part of the reason for the silence on the matter is that there is evidence to suggest that most Americans being killed by illegals are black--as is the suggestion in this LA Times Article.

All that said, it could be argued that if you include the number of illegals in state and local prisons the number of illegals in jail shrinks to 6% of the total prison population. Never the less if you multiply 16692 (the number of americans murdered in 2005) * .06 (illegal alien percent of total prison population) * 4 (the number of years the US has been in Iraq). The result is that more americans (4006) have been killed by illegals than have been killed in the Iraq war.

This point needs to be hammered home. Just as the liberals have hammered home the point about americans killed in Iraq.

To look at other USA cities go here http://stlouis.fbi.gov/ and replace stlouis with the city you want.


2 posted on 07/31/2007 8:52:39 AM PDT by ckilmer
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"When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,; that, whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such forms, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”

3 posted on 07/31/2007 8:52:49 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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The ruling found unconstitutional the ordinances written by the leaders of Hazleton, Pa., a small town that has become a model for towns wanting to take the law into their own hands. The ruling came as a reminder that though Congress has failed to take responsible action on immigration, the job of writing immigration law can't be usurped by local government.

Really? Why not? If the feds sit there with their thumb up their collective a$$es, why shouldn't local gov't take action? The fallout of that indecision falls at the local level, so why shouldn't they take action? This writer obviously has some agenda to put forth, and is doing it under the guise of news.

4 posted on 07/31/2007 8:55:04 AM PDT by econjack
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http://www.caller.com/staff/nick-jimenez/

Let nick know what you think/


5 posted on 07/31/2007 8:55:45 AM PDT by tumblindice ("I think the Germans are swell!" Charles Lindburgh, 1939)
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What happens when government can’t do its job?


6 posted on 07/31/2007 8:55:48 AM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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8 posted on 07/31/2007 9:08:35 AM PDT by gubamyster
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A federal judge cast the bright light of reality into the immigration issue last week when he ruled that cities have no place in deciding who is legal or illegal. The ruling found unconstitutional the ordinances written by the leaders of Hazleton, Pa., a small town that has become a model for towns wanting to take the law into their own hands. The ruling came as a reminder that though Congress has failed to take responsible action on immigration, the job of writing immigration law can't be usurped by local government.

Wrong! One of the questions the judge asked Barletta was whether he had consulted mexico before enacting this law and was used as part of his argument against it.

9 posted on 07/31/2007 9:11:14 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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In general, the ordinances were meant to signal that the Pennsylvania town was no place for immigrants and those who supported immigrants.

The Big Lie, but usually not stated so brazenly.

10 posted on 07/31/2007 9:11:59 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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The point, Munley wrote, is that only Congress has the right to determine who should immigrate into the country, not city governments.

Gawd, of all the convoluted logic. If we applied this nonsense to driving, only state troopers could cite someone for having a suspended license or no registration, since the state issues those documents.

11 posted on 07/31/2007 9:13:11 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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From GlennBeck.com:

MAYOR BARLETTA: And a federal judge has granted that. And, you know, he made the claim that by removing illegal aliens, we will effect foreign alliances.

GLENN: That’s not his job.

MAYOR BARLETTA: That we should have contacted foreign countries to ask them if it’s okay to remove illegal aliens.

GLENN: He did not say that. Wait, wait, wait, wait. He did not say that.

MAYOR BARLETTA: I was asked during the trial when I was on the stand if I had called President Calderon to tell him about this ordinance before we passed it. And in the judge’s decision he said, by removing illegal aliens, we will effect foreign alliances.

GLENN: Let me tell you something. Anybody who said Mex-Ameri-Canada, that I was crazy for Mex-Ameri-Canada, here it is. We are now asking permission if we can enforce our own laws here? What was your response to him?

MAYOR BARLETTA: I laughed. I thought the joke was a lighter moment in the trial, but the ACLU attorney was serious and obviously the judge agreed because he felt that we should have checked with other countries before we passed this law.

The judge also made the claim that the federal government wants some illegal aliens to remain in the country, that the government wants a balance, by closing off the border but allowing some illegal aliens in the interior. Now, I don’t know what law in this country of America said that we want illegal aliens to remain in the interior of the country, and this judge obviously was imposing his own views, and we nee


12 posted on 07/31/2007 9:23:10 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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comprehensive, immigrant, xenophobic, unconstitutional, undocumented...
Wow man, there a way too many big words in this article.
And they are all yoofa, upha, eufami—made-up words to describe different things than they purport to represent:
comprehensive=total amnesty
immmigrant=illegal alien
xenophobic=law abiding citizen
unconstitutional=we don’t like what you’re doing
undocumented=illegal alien


13 posted on 07/31/2007 9:23:20 AM PDT by tumblindice (Bite me Teddy=Bite me George)
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The ordinances in Hazleton were meant to punish landlords who rented to undocumented immigrants and to deter employers from hiring immigrants who couldn't prove they were American citizens.

In other words, the local ordinances were not intended to decide who is a U.S. citizen, despite what an idiot headline writer may think.

15 posted on 07/31/2007 9:24:04 AM PDT by Logophile
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A federal judge cast the bright light of reality into the immigration issue last week when he ruled that cities have no place in deciding who is legal or illegal.

Perhaps the judge would like to re-read the 10th Amendment to the Constitution. Methinks the judge is talking through his hat!!

16 posted on 07/31/2007 9:37:54 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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19 posted on 07/31/2007 9:44:09 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch (US Constitution Article 4 Section 4..shall protect each of them against Invasion...domestic Violence)
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These liberals don’t get it. These people aren’t xenophobes and modern-day Klansmen - they’re tired of giving a piece of their society to thieves and criminals.

A hilarious point: Canadians love to buy into the multi-culti crap, but their society is culturally homogenized to a greater degree than ours.


20 posted on 07/31/2007 9:48:49 AM PDT by MIT-Elephant ("Armed with what? Spitballs?")
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Xenophobia?


23 posted on 07/31/2007 9:57:43 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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U.S. Constitution, Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.

QUISLING: a synonym for traitor, someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country.

27 posted on 07/31/2007 10:15:00 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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The yahoo that wrote this article would be pleased, I’m sure, if the shoe was on the other foot and a jillion of us “Anglos” were illegally entering the country of his ancestors and demanding this and demanding that. (yeah, right).

It galls the h@ll out of me that these illegals and their liberal and RINO enablers have more rights, privileges, perks, and benefits than the ordinary taxpayer in the US who is the one the government determines must keep paying the taxes that benefit these leeches. It is a real slap in the face not only to the native born of the USA, but an even worse slap to the good people that immigrate LEGALLY to the USA, following all the rules and obeying the law.


28 posted on 07/31/2007 10:29:37 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Hunter and Tancredo in '08!)
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The ordinances in Hazleton were meant to punish landlords who rented to undocumented immigrants and to deter employers from hiring immigrants who couldn't prove they were American citizens. In general, the ordinances were meant to signal that the Pennsylvania town was no place for immigrants and those who supported immigrants.

From what I've read, the ordinances were not DEFINING who is and isn't illegal, simply stating that those who cannot document the fact that they are here legally, will be considered illegal and these ordinances apply to them. It's not deciding who is and who isn't legal, just that those who are illegals will not have the benefits that LEGAL immigrants do.

The ordinances don't say anything about LEGAL immigration, only ILLEGAL immigrants.

32 posted on 07/31/2007 11:16:52 AM PDT by SuziQ
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"Judge James M. Munley wrote in his ruling that all persons, even illegal immigrants, have a right to due process under the law and the Hazleton ordinances denied them that right."

Due process?

39 posted on 07/31/2007 12:04:48 PM PDT by norton
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