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The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care
City Journal ^ | Summer 2007 | David Gratzer

Posted on 07/30/2007 1:32:54 PM PDT by neverdem

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1 posted on 07/30/2007 1:33:02 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Oddly enough my Doctor has suggested a treatment that is only available in Canada and Europe. The drug for the treatment has not received FDA approval here even though it’s been used successfully in Canada and Europe for several years. Wonder what my chances are of getting seen in Canada, and I’m almost 100% positive my insurance won’t cover any of it, (although I haven’t talked to them about it yet) so it will be all on me.


2 posted on 07/30/2007 1:40:46 PM PDT by ladtx ("You know you are getting old when everything either dries up or leaks." Will Rogers)
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To: neverdem

Sending this to my lib friends...hehe


3 posted on 07/30/2007 1:41:54 PM PDT by Edgerunner (If you won't let the military fight your battles, you will have to. Keep your powder dry...)
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..not approved here,

That means it works and would "not be fair" to profiteers of other already approved slow & worthless drugs that create great billing revenue.

Btw_- This what the "Martha goes to jail" was all about.

4 posted on 07/30/2007 1:45:22 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: neverdem
And if we measure a health-care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels. Five-year cancer survival rates bear this out. For leukemia, the American survival rate is almost 50 percent; the European rate is just 35 percent. Esophageal carcinoma: 12 percent in the United States, 6 percent in Europe. The survival rate for prostate cancer is 81.2 percent here, yet 61.7 percent in France and down to 44.3 percent in England—a striking variation.

I would think "how well it serves the sick" is a pretty good measure to use. Not perfect, of course, but at least a stab at a useful observation.

5 posted on 07/30/2007 1:45:45 PM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: neverdem

This will break Michael Moore’s heart and shock the assholes who view his lftist propaganda as factual and objective information....


6 posted on 07/30/2007 1:46:54 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: neverdem

Bump For Later


7 posted on 07/30/2007 1:51:58 PM PDT by gridlock (War is Not the Answer, but Peace is Not an Option)
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To: Edgerunner
Sending this to my lib friends...hehe

If your lib friends are like mine, it won't make a difference. Their mind is made up and they don't want to be confused by something that might look like facts.

8 posted on 07/30/2007 1:52:05 PM PDT by econjack
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Libs just think that socialism hasn’t been tried by the right people yet.


9 posted on 07/30/2007 1:53:40 PM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: econjack

Yeah...I know, but it DOES piss them off!


10 posted on 07/30/2007 1:56:09 PM PDT by Edgerunner (If you won't let the military fight your battles, you will have to. Keep your powder dry...)
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To: neverdem

I personally have no complaints related to my life-long experience with the American health care system, and I don’t believe I am unique. Scrapping our private system would be America’s worst nightmare, with Schumer, Reid and Pelosi and their cohorts “handling” your family’s health care. But of course, that opinion would not whip a good Democrat rally of the gullible.


11 posted on 07/30/2007 1:57:26 PM PDT by CarryingOn (America will not survive another Clinton presidency.)
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To: neverdem

Funny, my Canadian relatives that are still living mostly in Canada...
always seem to make time to get a check-up when they come to visit
their “turned American” kids in the Dallas-Ft. Worth metroplex.

They admit the Canadian system has real problems...and when they
do the prudent thing and get a “second opinion” on their health...
they do it in the good ole’ USA.


12 posted on 07/30/2007 2:01:18 PM PDT by VOA
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Not to worry. Our private health care system will not be eliminated by the government. What will happen is a ‘universal coverage’ program in some form or other. It’s still a bad option. Tax credits for personal and family health insurance (not through employers) and HSA’s are the way to go.


13 posted on 07/30/2007 2:04:57 PM PDT by ZeitgeistSurfer (On Board With Fred - Let's Beat the Red)
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To: neverdem
Three years ago I was diagnosed with a cataract in my left eye. Two years ago, I was diagnosed with a cataract in my right eye.

Without the American health system, I'd have been stone-cold blind at 50 years old. Nobody will ever say anything bad about the American health care system in my hearing.

14 posted on 07/30/2007 2:10:39 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.)
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To: VOA

What’s infuriating is the politicians pandering on this. Whenever Hillary was asked about whether her Health care plan would cover some treatment she always said yes, even if it was totally experimental or even ridiculous.


15 posted on 07/30/2007 2:13:46 PM PDT by boop (Trunk Monkey. Is there anything he can't do?)
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To: river rat

If we could get a treaty that says, “FDA approved drugs shall be approved in all other countries and approved in these other approved countries shall be accepted in the US”, would we be able to slash drug development costs world wide?


16 posted on 07/30/2007 2:16:33 PM PDT by tbw2 (Science fiction with real science - "Humanity's Edge")
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To: neverdem
Socializing the medical industry will take the incentive away making everyone who works it zombies of the state with no desire to research and develop new procedures, medicines and care. Take a good look at a government workers work ethic and you will see what will happen to the medical system under universal health care.
17 posted on 07/30/2007 2:20:07 PM PDT by ronnie raygun (I'd rather be hunting with dick than driving with ted)
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It’s been a long time ago...
but IIRC, when Hillary!-Care went down in flames, radio-host Paul
Harvey said there were rumors that the reason Hillary took so long
to even cobble together her huge plan was...

...she spent days on end trying to figure out how the plan could give
top-rate care to EVERYONE inside the borders of the USA.
That included everyone in jail and all the illegals.

I guess she knew it would have bankrupted the country many times over,
but decided to see if she could just wing it past the Congress.

Sort of like a warm up for “comprehensive immigration reform”.


18 posted on 07/30/2007 2:23:17 PM PDT by VOA
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
Our private health care system will not be eliminated by the government.

I hope you are eventually proved correct, but the Hildebeast's 1993 proposal eliminated private health care. It was a felony for an MD to contract directly with patients.

19 posted on 07/30/2007 2:25:28 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To the Socialists of all Parties. F.A. Hayek)
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To: ZeitgeistSurfer
“Tax credits for personal and family health insurance (not through employers) and HSA’s are the way to go.”

I agree that HSA’s are a crucial part of the solution, along with catastrophic health care insurance. For most people, I believe, the cost of a physician visit is not going to break the bank, especially considering what people are comfortable paying for other services. On the other hand, needing angioplasty, or treatment for Hodgkin's disease is too expensive to pay for out of pocket for all but the richest amongst us. That is what you need protection (insurance) for. I would include certain medications (e.g. meds that cost hundreds or even thousands of dollars a month). What happens in socialized medicine systems is that you get free doctor visits, but everything that is more expensive is rationed. So essentially those things that are the easiest to pay for are free and reasonably accessible, whereas those things that cost the most, but make the biggest impact on your life (e.g. hip replacement, cataract surgery, angioplasty, etc.) are rationed (by virtue of longer wait periods, or outright denials based on age or other factors).

20 posted on 07/30/2007 2:32:00 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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