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Finding Truth in the “Would Not Vote for a Mormon” Polls
RomneyExperience.com ^ | 7/26/07

Posted on 07/26/2007 5:03:33 PM PDT by tantiboh

Democratic political consultant Mark Mellman has a very good piece up today at The Hill on the baffling and illegitimate opposition among voters to Mitt Romney due to his religion. I liked his closing paragraphs:

In July of 1958, 24 percent of respondents told Gallup they would not vote for a Catholic for president, almost identical to Gallup’s reading on Mormons today. Two years later, John F. Kennedy became the first Catholic to assume the oath of office. Within eight months, the number refusing to vote for a Catholic was cut almost in half.

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Mellman also discusses an interesting poll he helped construct, in which the pollsters asked half of their respondents whether they would support a candidate with certain characteristics, and asked the other half about another candidate with the exact same characteristics, with one difference. The first candidate was Baptist, the second candidate was Mormon. The Baptist had a huge advantage over the Mormon candidate, by about 20 points.

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However, more recent polls have attempted to fix the anonymity problem. A recent Time Magazine poll (read the original report here), for example, got to the heart of the question by asking respondents if they are less likely to vote for Mitt Romney specifically because he is a Mormon. The result is not as bad as some reporting on the poll has suggested. For example, while 30% of Republicans say they are less likely to vote for Romney because of his religion, fully 15% of other Republicans say that characteristic makes them more likely to vote for him. And while many have reported the finding that 23% of Republicans are “worried” by Romney’s Mormonism, the more important (but less-reported) number is that 73% say they hold no such reservations...

(Excerpt) Read more at romneyexperience.com ...


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To: Rameumptom; Religion Moderator
I'm sorry, but I don't read spam. Perhaps someone finds your copy and pastes from Mormon apologetic sites interesting. I don't. I recognize the fallcious claims.

Jews are very good at documentation and record keeping. Why don't your read Jewish Scholars as to what went on in the Temple of God. It certainly was NOT eternal sealings, endowments, or baptism for the dead.

You are ascribing motive to me once again. And let me tell you, you are not very accurate at reading my mind!

So are you saying you understand esoteric Doctrine better than these Christian Father's?

So the answer to your question, is I have a very good understanding of Christian Doctrine, but I never claimed to be superior to anyone. Show me one instance of a celestial marriage in conjunction with eraly Christian worship in the Holy Temple of God. Show me Jews, baptizing the dead INSIDE the Temple, and I will retract my words.

Until then you are simply providing spam.

1,081 posted on 08/01/2007 1:12:07 PM PDT by colorcountry (To pursue union at the expense of truth is treason to the Lord Jesus. - Charles Haddon Spurgeon -)
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To: Religion Moderator

Yep; it won’t be long until ALL this truth is taken down.

And just WHICH side was it that CALLED for it to be moved into the R section?


1,082 posted on 08/01/2007 1:12:24 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorcountry

Not the power milk again!


1,083 posted on 08/01/2007 1:13:25 PM PDT by restornu (Don’t you know by now that I am the pimple on a pickle!:))
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To: restornu
Elsie, I apologize to you for doing a play on words about the old tongue twister pick a peck pickles peppers!

I don't NEED an apology, but I'll bet the LURKERS would sure like to hear YOUR comments on the fact that the LDS organization has no Scriptural basis for it's Temple rites.

1,084 posted on 08/01/2007 1:14:20 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Old Student
I will say to you, just this one time, that you do not get to be the determiner of who is committing heresy. I don’t get to, either.

I just want to know this:

Who got to 'determine' the content of the LDS' Temple rites?

1,085 posted on 08/01/2007 1:15:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
The Lord commanded Us To Love One Another By This men Shall Know Ye Are My Disciples!

Then, by obsevation, there is not much love here; therefore, someone is NOT His disciple.

Did the 'Lord command' the rites that go on it the Temple?

1,086 posted on 08/01/2007 1:17:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorcountry

Most say where's the beef, but I ask you to identify the spam?


1,087 posted on 08/01/2007 1:18:29 PM PDT by restornu (Don’t you know by now that I am the pimple on a pickle!:))
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To: Old Student
Golden Lab, that’s my ideal.

Let's play Frisbee®! ;^)

1,088 posted on 08/01/2007 1:19:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

Power Milk? Is that anything like Energy Drinks. I sure could use one of them right now. All these very long posts are making me sleepyyyyyyyzzzzzzzzzzz.


1,089 posted on 08/01/2007 1:19:42 PM PDT by colorcountry (To pursue union at the expense of truth is treason to the Lord Jesus. - Charles Haddon Spurgeon -)
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To: Religion Moderator
Spamming is posting the same graphic or text over-and-over again in an offensive manner.

There's TONS of stuff that can be 'posted' without ever being the 'same'.

(Who get's the call as to whether it is 'offensive' or not?)

1,090 posted on 08/01/2007 1:21:37 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: nowandlater
Look it up, and you will have some fun.

Sounds like a non-essential rabbit hole trip to me.

1,091 posted on 08/01/2007 1:23:06 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39
...what say you?

Poor 4 years for hen teeth?

1,092 posted on 08/01/2007 1:24:17 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Mosiah 3:

You left out the Scriptural athiourity for Temple rites....

1,093 posted on 08/01/2007 1:25:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu
Mosiah 3:

You left out the Scriptural authority for Temple rites....

1,094 posted on 08/01/2007 1:25:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: greyfoxx39; Elsie; colorcountry; FastCoyote

It is odd that FR Mormonism Apologists are so fond to make derisive mention of the traditions of the Christian Church following the death of the last Apostle until the coming of Smithism ‘in these latter days’, yet they spam endlessly with the quotes from the same sources they hold in derision when it suits cultish purpose in attacking Christianity they claim Smithism had to restore ‘in these latter days’. Duplicitous in the main. And not subtle enough to pass notice by readers and at least one lurker who freepmails me. Double-mindedness seems a common trait to Mormonism, as with polyandry and polygamy, then no polyandry and polygamy. This revealing study of Mormonism on FR is most damning to the Mittster’s chances at fooling conservatives into voting for him.


1,095 posted on 08/01/2007 1:26:47 PM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: Elsie
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Poor 4 years for hen teeth?

1,096 posted on 08/01/2007 1:27:20 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (B.Richardson spends taxpayer dollars for his goofy projects, but not ONE cent for a decent toupee.)
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To: nowandlater
If you criticize Mormons for temple worship then you must what the Apostles did after Christ ascended! You guys are making this too easy!

What CRITICISM??

It's YOU guys that need to criticize YOUR leaders for failing to put the authority for your sacred Temple rites in your Scriptures!

1,097 posted on 08/01/2007 1:29:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: nowandlater

I discovered this even more appropriate information regarding the early fathers:

There is a scholarly debate which has continued for nearly 2000 years regarding the ‘prosfora’ Paul was involved with at Jerusalem when he and the others were preparing to be sent forth. Perhaps one of the many things Paul held against James the leader of the Church at Jerusalem (not the brother of Jesus) was the hoops he was made to jump through for being sent as a missionary from the Jews to the Gentile world. He certainly ridiculed the overlording when he made snide reference to not having to have Titus circumcised to satisfy James’s zeal. And there are other subtle references to things Paul objected to over the years James was ensconced as leader in Jerusalem.

One thing to note is the fact that the Church of Jesus Christ contains Jews and Gentiles, but there was a deep division regarding judaizing the believers from among the Gentiles. Also note that Paul understood very deeply and completely the once for all blood atonement of Jesus Christ. The ‘sin offering’ (not a blood sacrifice BTW) cannotes Paul’s subservience to the Jerusalem Church leadership, nothing more. He would not have insulted the Lord’s Blood by making a demonic blood offering once Jesus is the revealed Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Mormons can’t seem to grasp that because satan has them blinded to the true nature of the Atonement.

It is important to note that while Paul tried everywhere he preached on his missions to go first to the Jews then the Gentiles, he was vehemently opposed to judaizing the Gospel of Grace. Mormonism is strongly judaizing in nature, commanding temple worship and temple faith, not Faithing in Jesus Christ and the Gospel of Grace.


1,098 posted on 08/01/2007 1:31:50 PM PDT by colorcountry (To pursue union at the expense of truth is treason to the Lord Jesus. - Charles Haddon Spurgeon -)
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To: Elsie; Religion Moderator

Now this is Spam and harassment!
LDS' Temple rites? #'s1084-1085-1085;1038;1015;1013;839;696 etc.


1,099 posted on 08/01/2007 1:35:00 PM PDT by restornu (Don’t you know by now that I am the pimple on a pickle!:))
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To: colorcountry

Most say where's the beef, but I ask you to identify the spam? add 1093 & 1094


1,100 posted on 08/01/2007 1:36:15 PM PDT by restornu (Don’t you know by now that I am the pimple on a pickle!:))
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