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Surgeon General Soft on Science
foxnews.com ^ | July 18, 2007 | Radley Balko

Posted on 07/26/2007 3:02:27 PM PDT by neverdem

In testimony before Congress last week, former U.S. Surgeon General Richard Carmona said that the Bush administration has an adversarial relationship with science.

"Anything that doesn't fit into the political appointees' ideological, theological or political agenda is often ignored, marginalized or simply buried," Carmona said. "The problem with this approach is that in public health, as in a democracy, there is nothing worse than ignoring science or marginalizing the voice of science for reasons driven by changing political winds."

This is a common criticism of the Bush administration, made most thoroughly in journalist Chris Mooney's 2005 book, "The Republican War on Science." When it comes to issues such as global warming, stem cell research or the teaching of evolution — the argument goes — the White House adopts what you might call a "faith-based" approach to science, not an approach grounded in empiricism.

I'm sympathetic to this charge.

One issue Carmona didn't address is medical marijuana. Last year, the FDA put out a baldly political press release claming that "no sound scientific studies supported medical use of marijuana for treatment in the United States."

This is flatly wrong. A wide-ranging 1999 Institute of Medicine report actually did show medical benefits from smoked marijuana while also finding minimal harmful side effects. The FDA press release was right in one respect: There have been no conclusive studies since. But there's a good reason for that: The federal government won't allow them.

Carmona didn't mention medical marijuana in his list of grievances because Carmona isn't any more interested in actual science on the medical marijuana issue than the Bush administration is. When the New York Times asked him his position on the issue, he gave the odd reply that he was against medical marijuana because, "Smoking is bad for you."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: carmona; dopeheads; health; libertarians; medicine; richardcarmona; science; surgeongeneral

1 posted on 07/26/2007 3:02:29 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

These pro-toking articles are so important they deserve a forum of their own. A “Pro-Legalization” Forum should be created just like the Religion Forum where these articles can get the attention due them.


2 posted on 07/26/2007 3:10:28 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: neverdem

Why do we have a surgeon general, and why does he not know that we don’t live in a democracy?


3 posted on 07/26/2007 3:24:33 PM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: neverdem

This is a slander against the Bush administration.

Jocelyn Elders had the worst grasp of reality of any surgeon general. OTOH the Bush administration has been right about Kyoto, yet unpopular. ... so why the allegations now?

Because there is an attempt by Liberals and Democrats to use politicized science to ‘win arguments’ that they cannot win politically. Like when Gore declared the global warming debate ‘over’. Those who oppose him are ‘anti-scientific’ heretics who are blaspheming the dominant creed.

The charge of ‘anti-science’ is thus truly ironic.
science if getting far more abused by global warming fanatics and by the extremists who push unsupportable environmental-related junk science. This distorts the very meaning of science and turns it into a cudgel for indoctrination and not a tool for discovery.

I get my antidote to this BS here:

http://www.junkscience.com

one of their blasts: ... “ ... this from the organization that brought us estimates of 8-32 trillion dollars benefit from reduced skin cancers by phasing out CFCs and ‘protecting the ozone’ (no mention of increased cost from skin cancers when it comes to lower tropospheric ozone requirements, even though ozone at 10 feet altitude is as protective against incoming UV as ozone at 10 miles altitude). The EPA is a bunch of agenda-driven zealots who wouldn’t recognize a genuine cost-benefit analysis if it was wearing a sign bearing 6-inch lettering.”

...


4 posted on 07/26/2007 3:38:47 PM PDT by WOSG ( Don't tell me what you are against, tell me what you are FOR.)
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To: basil
Why do we have a surgeon general, and why does he not know that we don’t live in a democracy?

As I recall, originally it was like a cabinet post with real power. They had a federal health service concerned with epidemics and water sanitation and health issues for the troops. This was like a hundred years back.

Gradually, it's been demoted and is now something like two levels down from the cabinet and the Surgeon General is actually a flunky of some Health and Human Services undersecretary.

It's a stupid office and should be abolished so the two parties stop fighting over it. I think the presidents only nominate doctors they really really hate for the job because they always get abused severely, then confirmed, then ignored while they debate changing the colors on the warning labels of cigarette cartons.
5 posted on 07/26/2007 3:51:33 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: WOSG
Jocelyn Elders had the worst grasp of reality of any surgeon general.

Yeah but Jocelyn had the courage to advocate teaching children to masturbate.

I always thought the country must have gone down the tubes completely if people were left so ignorant by the public schools that they couldn't even figure out something that basic by themselves.
6 posted on 07/26/2007 3:53:42 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: El Gato; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; lepton; LadyDoc; jb6; tiamat; PGalt; Dianna; ...
Oscar the Grim Reaper Cat? NEJM article

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7 posted on 07/26/2007 4:10:46 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: George W. Bush
It's a stupid office and should be abolished so the two parties stop fighting over it. I think the presidents only nominate doctors they really really hate for the job because they always get abused severely, then confirmed, then ignored while they debate changing the colors on the warning labels of cigarette cartons.

That sums it up, pretty well.

8 posted on 07/26/2007 4:23:55 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: George W. Bush
There is an interesting history here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Service_Commissioned_Corps

However this bureaucrat is very very obsolete and should be abolished.

9 posted on 07/26/2007 4:49:02 PM PDT by Weeedley
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To: Onelifetogive
These pro-toking articles are so important they deserve a forum of their own. A “Pro-Legalization” Forum should be created just like the Religion Forum where these articles can get the attention due them.

Carmona said words to the effect that obesity dwarfs "9/11, or any other terrorist event." He made other outrageous claims about obesity, secondhand smoke, smokeless tobacco and alcohol during pregnancy.

It's not a pro-toking article. It's about a politicized Surgeon General. Only the excerpt mentioned medical marijuana. Why don't you read the story?

10 posted on 07/26/2007 5:08:51 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: WOSG
This is a slander against the Bush administration.

This article attacked Carmona in the main, and rightly so, if you read the whole thing.

11 posted on 07/26/2007 5:12:35 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem
Why don't you read the story?

That would take all of the sport out of posting.

12 posted on 07/26/2007 8:08:27 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (* Sarcasm tag ALWAYS required. For some FReepers, sarcasm can NEVER be obvious enough.)
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To: neverdem

Sorry, I should have been clearer: the claim “the Bush administration has an adversarial relationship with science” is the slander.


13 posted on 07/26/2007 11:01:34 PM PDT by WOSG ( Don't tell me what you are against, tell me what you are FOR.)
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To: basil
Why do we have a surgeon general, and why does he not know that we don’t live in a democracy?

It’s like having the dogs playing pool and the dogs playing poker tapestries on your wall in your basement. It’s just something you’re supposed to have.

And he doesn’t know we don’t live in a democracy because he’s ignint.

I hope this helps!

14 posted on 07/26/2007 11:14:30 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Weeedley

After reading your article, Surgeon General probably shouldn’t be abolished but it is odd that the only stuff they use him for publicly is things like cigarette warnings and use-condom PSAs like C. Everett Coop did years back. It is kind of an odd agency though, bunches of commissioned officers and staff working for HHS. Maybe they should just target his job toward the military.


15 posted on 07/27/2007 12:51:01 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: George W. Bush

Keep the cool Naval Uniform and the traditions; the Surgeon General should be placed in charge of the CDC and all the many redundancies of having both agencies doing the same things should be eliminated. The CDC is a out of control money pit and could use some quasi military discipline.


16 posted on 07/27/2007 7:21:05 AM PDT by Weeedley
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