Posted on 07/26/2007 12:06:18 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
The two terrorist attacks known worldwide by their dates—9/11 and 7/7—inspired suspicion of Muslims in communities in both Europe and America. But each one also symbolizes the different relations each continent has with their Muslim populations. On 9/11, America was attacked by Muslims who came here solely for the purpose of attacking it. On 7/7, London was bombed by British Muslims who were products of their own society. What lessons Europe and America each draw from this will determine the future of their Muslims and their national identity.
The Muslim communities of North America and Europe are often compared, with the conclusion that American Muslims are better integrated, less likely to be radicalized than their European counterparts. But as the war on terror proceeds, racial profiling, the lack of direct communication between Muslims and the government, and the use of paid confidential informants to monitor the Muslim community are all causing an increasing rift between American society and Muslims. In the end, these issues could undo the integration that American Muslims have previously achieved and create the same marginalization and exclusion from society facing European Muslims. This alienation became painfully evident two years ago, when the suburbs of Paris were burning in protest after two French Muslim youths were killed trying to run away from police. The barrier of suspicion made it virtually impossible for French authorities to quell the violence. In response, European countries have been busy trying to create "moderate" Muslim organizations for them to interface with. But these organizations carry very little legitimacy among the Muslim communities they supposedly represent. America is fortunate enough to have a strong civil society from which indigenous Muslim organizations are already emerging.
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And that pretty much packages it up and ties it up with a bow.
Again: It is the so-called “moderate” Muzziez that are the apostates. The Quran and the Hadiths very explicitly tell the Muzziez to kill or convert all non Muzziez - PERIOD.
And it is not like the Bible which can be interpreted to mean that one should commit acts of violence, the cannon of the Muzzie Death Cult EXPLICITLY tells the followers to commit acts of violence just like its pedophile founder.
It seems that the tag of “religion” being slapped on that death cult neuters the lucid thinking portion of the Western brain.
More like a ROP, veiled threat.
http://www.freedom.org/news/200608/26/bakke.phtml This link details why a ‘good’ Muslim cannot be a good American. Muslims are forbidden from recognizing any country, tribe, organization governed by the ‘laws of man’...think about it. Any Muslim successfully integrated in a country such as any liberal democracy, for example, is automatically not really a Muslim, and may be considered an ‘apostate’...killing an apostate is not considered murder...any Muslim leaving Islam, converting to Christianity, for example, can be killed under the rules of Sharia law if the convert does not return to the Islamic fold. This happens regularly in Indonesia, and the news is frequently reporting such episodes.
BINGO!
LLS
Let’s deport the non-native born Muslims and they can be alienated in their Islamic paradises.
A few months after 9/11 a Federal official attended an unrelated seminar in the town where I was living. He went out of his way to praise the “diversity and tolerence” of the little town. In doing so he revealed a lot of information that he could only have known if there was a major effort somewhere to monitor the reaction to muslims and the potential threat to them. The Feds are watching.
Especially Saudi-funded ones.
It’s time we put a stop to foreign religious funding from countries that don’t allow religious freedom.
I’m interested in where the figures for the number muslims in America come from. How can you tell how many there are as you have open borders?
The only reliable figure I can seem to find is that there are 2.1m african-american muslims in the US. Estimates for the total numbers seem to vary between 5m and 14m. Does anyone know the real number?
In the UK we have 1.6m which is 2.7% of the population. From the figures I’ve seen, the US could easily have exceeded that percentage by now without knowing.
There’s no precise figure of the number of Muslims in the US. I said 1% - 2% which would be 3 - 6 million. Some Muslim organizations, trying to enhance their political influence, claim there are 8 million, but few take that seriously. I’ve seen a few columns about this dispute, and most seem to believe the number of Arab Muslims and other immigrant Muslim groups is 2 - 3 million, then the 2 million black Muslims are added to the total. 5 - 6 million is the most accepted figure for the total number of Muslims, I believe.
“I’m interested in where the figures for the number muslims in America come from. How can you tell how many there are as you have open borders?”
We don’t really have open borders, just deliberately poorly enforced borders. And the number of Muslims coming via our northern or southern border is probably in the thousands, but not enough to add significantly to the total number of Muslims in the US. Most illegal Muslims are probably visa overstays, which make up about one-third of our illegal population.
I think the figures come from various estimates such as Mosque attendance, the population in heavily Muslim areas such as Dearborn, Michigan and other areas, birth rates, immigration from Muslim nations since 1965 when immigration policies were significantly changed, etc.
And FWIW, many of those black moslems are NOT considered moslems by (eg) imans in Saudi Arabia or elsewhere in the islamic world. THEY consider themselves moslem, but “real” moslems consider groups like Nation of Islam, The Lost-Found Nation of Islam, etc, to be heretics , maybe even outright kufr. The weird antiwhite racialist theories of Elijah Mohammed and others of his ilk are considered false teachings-and it is notorious that many moslems of other-than-African descent despise people of African heritage, so that may explain their antipathy to some of the weirder ‘homegrown’ forms of islam and their practitioners as well.
Repeat as necessary.
LOL
Truth behind the title:
American Muslims are _already_ as "alienated" from Western culture as European Muslims. They simply disguise themselves better.
- John
Yep..and they actually drive cars here instead of burning them. Very clever.
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