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Tammy Faye Messner, Gay Icon
Slate ^ | July 23, 2007 | Michelle Tsai

Posted on 07/25/2007 6:25:09 AM PDT by paudio

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To: LaineyDee

What a wonderful post.

Such a shame we tend to feel other church members are shaking fingers at us for not being good enough. But, it is true.

They are wrong in that attitude but I think a lot of it is just human nature. They have been dedicated Christians for a while and have probably worked their hearts out for the Church. So, when others not so dedicated are in the midst, the need to show how worthy they are surfaces. It all comes down to when they work, they want appreciation - even though our works do not get us to heaven.

I was divorced and for a long time the church was not set up to handle the divorced people.

Also, I’ve run across instances in my life where I could not go to the church for help (moral support) because of the fear of how people would react to the situation. But, that can’t be helped. I’m just not willing to take the chance that they would act in a way that would not hurt me. But, I can sure go to Jesus with it and I did. I could not have made it through those times without that support. And, that “going through those times with Jesus” have made me come to a closer bond with Him.

So, I can say for sure that God does comfort the grieving, that Jesus walks with us through the bad times. (Of course not phyically walking with us but the feeling of being with me was surely there).


81 posted on 07/25/2007 12:04:01 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: ClancyJ
So, even without any teachings, we can understand that there is something that created this place. It is a first step to God and then with an open heart we will find the way to Him if we really want to.

So true. Most of all, we have to be open to Him. We'll never see Him if we close our eyes.

82 posted on 07/25/2007 12:10:08 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: LaineyDee
What a wonderful story!

Both events were very moving. I couldn't help but think that God was speaking to me directly.

Years ago... I used to watch Jimmy Swaggart.... and I learned tons about forgiveness from his teachings. When he fell....there were people who left the church, disillusioned and heart-broken. One of my friends snidely asked what I thought about all those he hurt by his actions...and the first thought that came to me was, "If they walked away from God because Jimmy Swaggart fell, they had their eyes on the wrong man anyway".

Jesus spoke about the weeds and the wheat. I think people who fall away because of clerical misdeeds are just looking for an excuse to stay away from "organized religion." What that really boils down to is pride --being their own god. I mean, if Jesus, God Himself, could submit Himself to two humans for most of His life (Mary and Joseph), how can we be unwilling to submit ourselves to earthly authority?

83 posted on 07/25/2007 12:14:51 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Elsie

You could have at least included a less gaudy picture of a gay person. I just lost my lunch.


84 posted on 07/25/2007 12:31:07 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Trinidad&Tobago: Proof that a Muslim minority (5%pop) causes a majority of a country's problems.)
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To: Aquinasfan
I think people who fall away because of clerical misdeeds are just looking for an excuse to stay away from "organized religion."

Well... I will agree to a point. There are some who put so much of themselves into a person (or ministry).....they just fall apart. That's when our job is to minister to them... showing them a more excellent way.....in teaching how to keep their eyes on God and not man. So...IMHO...I believe it may be more ignorance of the Word... rather than an intentional excuse to stay out of church. :)

85 posted on 07/25/2007 1:02:59 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: LaineyDee

God bless her for showing compassion to all. She is beloved by gay bloggers like Perez and dlisted. I thought it ironic that she received more compassion from gay bloggers than many here on FR.


86 posted on 07/25/2007 1:04:55 PM PDT by rintense (I'm 4 Thompson!)
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To: Marysecretary

Thank you. The church I attended made regular visits to AIDS patients- and others who were sick too. There was no preaching, no judgment- just offers of support, compassion, and always an offer to say a prayer with them.


87 posted on 07/25/2007 1:07:50 PM PDT by rintense (I'm 4 Thompson!)
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To: rintense
God bless her for showing compassion to all.

She reminds me of my Dad's sister.."Crazy Aunt Dot". Loveable, flashy ... with a crazy sense of humor. She meant well, had a good heart and was utterly harmless. :)

I remember after I became a Christian ...how zealous I was... to a point I did/said some pretty stupid stuff. I call them my "Lucy" moments. I lamented to my best friend who said...."You know.... God probably looks down...shakes His head and says..."Here those girls go again!" *chuckle* I think she might be right. :)

88 posted on 07/25/2007 1:23:07 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: paudio

If I am mystified by gaudy floozies, I am doubly mystified by the guys that like them!


89 posted on 07/25/2007 1:24:11 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Afghan protest - "Death to Dog Washers!")
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To: martin_fierro
I recall at the height of PTL's popularity, the audiences were often filled with women with dyed red hair and peach-colored pancake makeup a quarter inch deep and gaudy false eyelashes gummed with mascara.

There was an army of Tammy Fayes out there in the Bible Belt apparently.
90 posted on 07/25/2007 1:28:43 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: ClancyJ
They are wrong in that attitude but I think a lot of it is just human nature.

Very true. I had alot of forgiving to do as things went along.... because harboring anger only hurt me...not them.

And, that “going through those times with Jesus” have made me come to a closer bond with Him. So, I can say for sure that God does comfort the grieving, that Jesus walks with us through the bad times

Absolutely! :)

91 posted on 07/25/2007 1:34:45 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: George W. Bush

Hint: Look for Adam’s apples.


92 posted on 07/25/2007 1:35:46 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Dinsdale
Hint: Look for Adam’s apples.

If that makeup doesn't scare you off, an Adam's apple won't mean much either. LOL.
93 posted on 07/25/2007 1:52:15 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Rudy: tough on terror, scared of Iowa)
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To: stm

Oh, you’d be wrong. She knew she was long before due to her ministering to them. I am so glad that Tammy Faye has gone on to the Lord. She was was suffering so badly.


94 posted on 07/25/2007 2:08:20 PM PDT by greccogirl
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To: Greg F

She was, wasn’t she? Count me surprised as well. I also caught some of that - I had tuned in because of her and I think she came across well. I think she had class.


95 posted on 07/25/2007 2:09:50 PM PDT by greccogirl
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To: LaineyDee

My thinking as well. I put my faith in the spiritual, and take everything in the natural with a grain of salt. But I don’t allow hypocrites to keep me from church or from worship.


96 posted on 07/25/2007 2:13:56 PM PDT by greccogirl
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To: Greg F
The only difference I think is that in this culture the homosexual is being told that the sin is ok, that it’s not wrong. So it’s even a more difficult bridge to cross.

Indeed!

Just like being told that there are extra 'scriptures' that have been revealed and we must obey them!

97 posted on 07/25/2007 2:16:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TypeZoNegative
You could have at least included a less gaudy picture of a gay person.

You should have built up an immunity after those other two faces!

98 posted on 07/25/2007 2:18:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: TypeZoNegative
I just lost my lunch.

I guess I could have given you Rosie; but then you'd not been any good for supper either!

99 posted on 07/25/2007 2:19:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Klaus Nomi bump...


100 posted on 07/25/2007 2:20:16 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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