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Gun buff wins round; cop fears 'Old West'
Chicago Tribune ^ | 7/20/07 | Jeff Long

Posted on 07/21/2007 9:55:36 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim

With Mother's Day approaching, Shaun Kranish needed a gift, so he strapped on his unloaded semiautomatic 9 mm pistol and left his Rockford home to do some shopping.

During his May 2006 trip to CherryVale Mall in Cherry Valley, Kranish put the 15-round magazine into a separate pouch on the holster, where he could easily reach it if necessary.

Kranish, 21, picked up some tea for his mother, ate pizza at the food court, then noticed two security guards warily following him. Taken into custody, he was charged with aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, a felony.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; guns; oldwest; secondamendment
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To: goldstategop
That Illinois isn't a carry state is actually mentioned in the story:

Illinois and Wisconsin are the only states where it is illegal for a private citizen to carry concealed weapons. Many states issue permits for concealed weapons if the owner takes a class and passes a background check.

Alaska and Vermont don't require a permit for carrying a concealed weapon.

I was surprised and thought this was a fairly well balanced article by the reporter. I don't know how long he has been writing for the times, but if he keeps this up, it won't be long. ;)

I was in Illinois earlier this month for a family reunion. Stopped just before the state line and put the XD-45 in a box in the back of the car. Felt more than a little naked the entire time. I don't go there often and I sure do not stay long. Chicago (My birthplace) will never see a dime of tourist money from me. Same for San Fransisco, New York or any other place that severely restricts the right to self defense. The one exception is D.C., but I try to overnight out of the district if I go. Oops, ranting. ;0

101 posted on 07/23/2007 7:36:01 AM PDT by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; DesScorp

The fear must be based on the fact that people don’t wear hats any more which makes it hard to tell the good guys (white hat) from the bad guys (black hat).


102 posted on 07/23/2007 7:40:08 AM PDT by ThomasThomas
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To: thefactor
"well, i’m a cop and i would like to see law-abiding citizens carrying guns for personal protection. however, i fear that too many people, in a city the size of new york, would succumb to road rage and squeeze off a couple."

And your point is... 8~)

103 posted on 07/23/2007 8:01:25 AM PDT by tracer
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To: kAcknor

Merryland (MD), for all intents and purposes, also is a no-carry state...


104 posted on 07/23/2007 8:03:28 AM PDT by tracer
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To: kiriath_jearim
“This is not the Old West,” he said. “I’m not advocating banning handguns. But I’m not aware of any police officer who would advocate more handguns on the street. When they start taking their weapons out of their home and walking around with them strapped to their hip, bad things can happen.”

Yep ... really terrible things have happened in the 35+ states that have Shall-Issue CCW and Alaska and Vermont with no regulations.

What a statist bastard.

105 posted on 07/23/2007 8:08:20 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: tracer

I think he is concerned about the unnecessary paperwork this might cause. I know it would really disturb me to have to write lots of paper to explain which person was wrong, the shooter or recipient.

Maybe he would feel better if you could just put it on a Traffic Accident report.


106 posted on 07/23/2007 8:09:36 AM PDT by Steamburg (If we don't want our nation bad enough to protect it, it won't be ours long.)
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To: OSHA

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107 posted on 07/23/2007 8:11:47 AM PDT by BearCub
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

>>What a complete and utter moron.<<

Most senior cops with this attitude are not stupid - they would be better described as selfish - I’m sure it does make their jobs easier in the short run to take gun rights and self defense rights away.

In the long term it also creates a need for more cops as only criminals can defend themselves.

I know some really good cops though who don’t buy into this.


108 posted on 07/23/2007 8:12:24 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: thefactor
well, i’m a cop and i would like to see law-abiding citizens carrying guns for personal protection. however, i fear that too many people, in a city the size of new york, would succumb to road rage and squeeze off a couple.

Your fears have exactly ZERO bearing on other people's freedoms. Besides, you should look at it as a wonderful opportunity to see chlroine-in-action in the gene pool.

Armed citizens make other citizens, immigrants and goverment officials more polite.

109 posted on 07/23/2007 8:13:09 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: gondramB

Smoking is verboten at malls, because they are a “public place”. So, carrying firearms is OK, since it’s a “public place.” Glad we have that straightened out.


110 posted on 07/23/2007 8:15:40 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Freedom4US

>>Smoking is verboten at malls, because they are a “public place”. So, carrying firearms is OK, since it’s a “public place.” Glad we have that straightened out.<<

Actually I think both can be regulated - my complaint was about all the other charges beyond the one that applies when a private property owner asks you to not bring a gun there.


111 posted on 07/23/2007 8:25:08 AM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: tracer
Merryland (MD), for all intents and purposes, also is a no-carry state...

That's true of many of the 'May Issue' states, but the point is technically it is allowed. I'm sure there are politically connected or celebrity types that do have one.

My presentation is deliberate and truthful. Only two states, Illinois and Wisconsin, have no provision for any form of concealed carry. They are a 4% minority, they are alone in their restriction of the human right to self defense, their politico's continue to express the same tired rhetoric that has been totally discredited by 96% of the rest of the United States.

Were the question to be about Shall Issue vs. May Issue my words would be different.

112 posted on 07/23/2007 9:59:53 AM PDT by kAcknor (Don't flatter yourself.... It is a gun in my pocket.)
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To: gondramB

Both *are* regulated.


113 posted on 07/23/2007 3:00:29 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Centurion2000; tracer
please see my posts 75 and 80.

you people can deal with the theoretical all you like. i'm just telling you what i see and what i anticipate. the only thing i fear for is some poor shlump who cuts off the wrong guy in traffic. i'm always carrying so i'm not afraid for my own safety.

and i'll say AGAIN: i want the law-abiding citizens of my city to be able to carry. and i also want illegal guns off the streets. or, in other words, out of the hands off criminals.

114 posted on 07/23/2007 4:58:56 PM PDT by thefactor
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To: DMZFrank; All; Joe Brower; Squantos
Sir, that is one of the best posts I ever read here.

The police power is subject to limitations of the federal and State constitutions, and especially to the requirement of due process. Police power is the exercise of the sovereign right of a government to promote order, safety, security, health, morals and general welfare within constitutional limits and is an essential attribute of government. Marshall v. Kansas City, Mo., 355 S.W.2d 877, 883.
Note how this definition of police power is circumscribed by the requirement to be exercised within “constitutional limits.”

It seems obvious that these laws in IL defy the state constitution without question. The local oligarchy pretends it does not for political reasons.

Thanks a bunch for that reply.

115 posted on 07/23/2007 5:47:37 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Travis McGee
Yo, Travis - long time, no see.

Your and other comments underscore what I have advocated for a long time: namely that a person should be required to have at the least the knowledge (legal and technical), mental stability, and skill possessed by a LEO academy graduate before the former is allowed to even purchase a weapon. Physical prowess should not be a factor, however, 'cause old folks, IMO, generally are more in need of an "equalizer" than others.

Having so qualified, said person should be in a "shall issue" CCW status without further ado, whether living in New York City or Preston, Idaho.

116 posted on 07/24/2007 9:55:02 AM PDT by tracer
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To: tracer
what I have advocated for a long time: namely that a person should be required to have at the least the knowledge (legal and technical), mental stability, and skill possessed by a LEO academy graduate before the former is allowed to even purchase a weapon.

No friggin way. The power to approve is the power to deny. I don't want the govt in the position to determine who may purchase a firearm, except in the cases of certified mental illness, violent felony record etc.

117 posted on 07/24/2007 3:52:32 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee
Agreed, but in an ideal world it would be nice if Joe Lunchbucket knew what he was doing when he toted a sidearm. Perhaps the use of training as an affirmative defense would be good.

It already has a place in American jurisprudence, and graduation from Maas Ayoob's one-week school, with the accompanying/required hand-written student notebook and Ayoob's testimony as an expert witness for the defense has been known to work in a defendant's favor...

118 posted on 07/25/2007 7:21:11 AM PDT by tracer
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To: kiriath_jearim

I gave my wife a new pistol cleaning kit and a case of .38 Special ammo for Mothers Day. She can get plenty of range practice now with the S&W .357 that I bought her for her birthday.

I see that the NH RINOs have their undies in a knot. The comments posts to the article are good.

http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Machine+gun+fundraiser+under+fire&articleId=516c2e53-4ba7-404b-af83-e48684a3ff8f


119 posted on 07/27/2007 6:24:28 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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