Posted on 07/21/2007 9:55:36 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
With Mother's Day approaching, Shaun Kranish needed a gift, so he strapped on his unloaded semiautomatic 9 mm pistol and left his Rockford home to do some shopping.
During his May 2006 trip to CherryVale Mall in Cherry Valley, Kranish put the 15-round magazine into a separate pouch on the holster, where he could easily reach it if necessary.
Kranish, 21, picked up some tea for his mother, ate pizza at the food court, then noticed two security guards warily following him. Taken into custody, he was charged with aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, a felony.
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Illinois and Wisconsin are the only states where it is illegal for a private citizen to carry concealed weapons. Many states issue permits for concealed weapons if the owner takes a class and passes a background check.
Alaska and Vermont don't require a permit for carrying a concealed weapon.
I was surprised and thought this was a fairly well balanced article by the reporter. I don't know how long he has been writing for the times, but if he keeps this up, it won't be long. ;)
I was in Illinois earlier this month for a family reunion. Stopped just before the state line and put the XD-45 in a box in the back of the car. Felt more than a little naked the entire time. I don't go there often and I sure do not stay long. Chicago (My birthplace) will never see a dime of tourist money from me. Same for San Fransisco, New York or any other place that severely restricts the right to self defense. The one exception is D.C., but I try to overnight out of the district if I go. Oops, ranting. ;0
The fear must be based on the fact that people don’t wear hats any more which makes it hard to tell the good guys (white hat) from the bad guys (black hat).
And your point is... 8~)
Merryland (MD), for all intents and purposes, also is a no-carry state...
Yep ... really terrible things have happened in the 35+ states that have Shall-Issue CCW and Alaska and Vermont with no regulations.
What a statist bastard.
I think he is concerned about the unnecessary paperwork this might cause. I know it would really disturb me to have to write lots of paper to explain which person was wrong, the shooter or recipient.
Maybe he would feel better if you could just put it on a Traffic Accident report.
>>What a complete and utter moron.<<
Most senior cops with this attitude are not stupid - they would be better described as selfish - I’m sure it does make their jobs easier in the short run to take gun rights and self defense rights away.
In the long term it also creates a need for more cops as only criminals can defend themselves.
I know some really good cops though who don’t buy into this.
Your fears have exactly ZERO bearing on other people's freedoms. Besides, you should look at it as a wonderful opportunity to see chlroine-in-action in the gene pool.
Armed citizens make other citizens, immigrants and goverment officials more polite.
Smoking is verboten at malls, because they are a “public place”. So, carrying firearms is OK, since it’s a “public place.” Glad we have that straightened out.
>>Smoking is verboten at malls, because they are a “public place”. So, carrying firearms is OK, since it’s a “public place.” Glad we have that straightened out.<<
Actually I think both can be regulated - my complaint was about all the other charges beyond the one that applies when a private property owner asks you to not bring a gun there.
That's true of many of the 'May Issue' states, but the point is technically it is allowed. I'm sure there are politically connected or celebrity types that do have one.
My presentation is deliberate and truthful. Only two states, Illinois and Wisconsin, have no provision for any form of concealed carry. They are a 4% minority, they are alone in their restriction of the human right to self defense, their politico's continue to express the same tired rhetoric that has been totally discredited by 96% of the rest of the United States.
Were the question to be about Shall Issue vs. May Issue my words would be different.
Both *are* regulated.
you people can deal with the theoretical all you like. i'm just telling you what i see and what i anticipate. the only thing i fear for is some poor shlump who cuts off the wrong guy in traffic. i'm always carrying so i'm not afraid for my own safety.
and i'll say AGAIN: i want the law-abiding citizens of my city to be able to carry. and i also want illegal guns off the streets. or, in other words, out of the hands off criminals.
The police power is subject to limitations of the federal and State constitutions, and especially to the requirement of due process. Police power is the exercise of the sovereign right of a government to promote order, safety, security, health, morals and general welfare within constitutional limits and is an essential attribute of government. Marshall v. Kansas City, Mo., 355 S.W.2d 877, 883.
Note how this definition of police power is circumscribed by the requirement to be exercised within “constitutional limits.”
It seems obvious that these laws in IL defy the state constitution without question. The local oligarchy pretends it does not for political reasons.
Thanks a bunch for that reply.
Your and other comments underscore what I have advocated for a long time: namely that a person should be required to have at the least the knowledge (legal and technical), mental stability, and skill possessed by a LEO academy graduate before the former is allowed to even purchase a weapon. Physical prowess should not be a factor, however, 'cause old folks, IMO, generally are more in need of an "equalizer" than others.
Having so qualified, said person should be in a "shall issue" CCW status without further ado, whether living in New York City or Preston, Idaho.
No friggin way. The power to approve is the power to deny. I don't want the govt in the position to determine who may purchase a firearm, except in the cases of certified mental illness, violent felony record etc.
It already has a place in American jurisprudence, and graduation from Maas Ayoob's one-week school, with the accompanying/required hand-written student notebook and Ayoob's testimony as an expert witness for the defense has been known to work in a defendant's favor...
I gave my wife a new pistol cleaning kit and a case of .38 Special ammo for Mothers Day. She can get plenty of range practice now with the S&W .357 that I bought her for her birthday.
I see that the NH RINOs have their undies in a knot. The comments posts to the article are good.
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