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To: P8riot

I live in Chesapeake, I go to Norfolk regularly to attend the festivals. The number of instances where anyone has needed a weapon, at these festivals, is zero. The police are everywhere, on foot, on bicycle, stationed at every corner. He should have left it in the car.


14 posted on 07/20/2007 5:36:32 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr
He should have left it in the car.

Vraiment? Sho' 'nuff?

When I have to leave my gun in the car, I always disassemble it and take the guide rod and spring with me and hide the gun. I don't like doing that because I figure that every time I handle my gun I'm increasing the odds of a negligent discharge. And can you imagine the hassle if it were stolen?

Why it'd be almost as bad as being busted by the Norfolk Sheriff's Office!

And in any event, the only time I trusted the law to be there when I needed it was when I was the law (of a very diffident and minor kind), I don't care how many PPM LEOs there are in the environment.

Of the many things that turned me into a slavering gun rights nut was the news that a friend died on the 9-11 because security told him to go back to his office, everything was okay -- and he ended up with an airplane in his lap.

Since then I've kind of taken responsibility for protecting me and mine.

30 posted on 07/20/2007 5:51:48 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: stuartcr
The number of instances where anyone has needed a weapon, at these festivals, is zero.

So far....

He should have left it in the car.

Where it can be stolen.

I've gone back to my truck (an old beater F-150) on three different occasions (while parked at Waterside), and have found it broken into and ransacked, fortunately the only things that have been taken were a stereo, some CDs/tapes, and my sense of naiveté.

45 posted on 07/20/2007 6:15:44 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: stuartcr
I live in Chesapeake, I go to Norfolk regularly to attend the festivals. The number of instances where anyone has needed a weapon, at these festivals, is zero.

So it's OK with you for cops to break the law by false arrest and intimidation just because you and they think a citizen licensed to carry a gun under the laws of the state shouldn't be allowed to exercise the rights granted by that license unless you and they think it's acceptable? When did you and the Norfolk cops get the authority to decide what the law should be and act accordingly?

In this case the victim of police brutality and harassment was in compliance with a state law which specifically overrides any local law concerning the carrying of firearms. If you and the Sheriff don't like that law why don't you lobby the VA legislature to change the law instead of allowing cops to use Nazi-type tactics to intimidate citizens in the hope that intimidation will do what the city or county can't legally do under current VA law? What happened there was nothing less than police harassment of the worst kind. The cops knew they had no legal authority to arrest the armed man, they just hoped to intimidate ALL licensed citizens from going armed in their bailiwick.

If there is any justice in VA the Sheriff's office will be forced to recompense the victim of his thugs in a large enough amount that his department will abandon Gestapo intimidation tactics and obey the law they are supposed to be enforcing. Nothing is more likely to breed hatred and disrespect for LE officers than totally unjustifiable thuggish behavior like this against law abiding citizens. Cops who know the law and violate it anyway should be held more accountable for their acts than the ordinary citizens who they are supposed to be protecting, not harassing.

55 posted on 07/20/2007 6:24:36 AM PDT by epow ( "The more guns you take out of society the fewer murders you will have" Rudy--6/20/00)
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To: stuartcr

I live in X,

the number of times anyone has ever needed the right to free speech is zero, since there are officials everywhere openly speaking.


65 posted on 07/20/2007 6:31:45 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: stuartcr
The number of instances where anyone has needed a weapon, at these festivals, is zero.

33 students at Virginia Tech all felt the same level of overconfidence that you do.......

And virtually every victim of every crime in this country never thought it would actually happen to them......

77 posted on 07/20/2007 6:38:14 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: stuartcr

Years ago I went to a Grateful Dead concert at the Norfolk Coliseum. We left a little early to get a jump start on the long drive back home and saw two long columns of patrol cars lining up all along the exit road. It looked something out of Eastwood’s “The Gauntlet”.

We were happy to leave town.


79 posted on 07/20/2007 6:41:45 AM PDT by battlecry
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To: stuartcr

Agreed...he should have been a good little serf. I guess he got what he deserved eh?


90 posted on 07/20/2007 6:48:09 AM PDT by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: stuartcr

Yeah, that’s the ticket. Leave it in the car so that it becomes a stolen item. Think about it, if you are in a festival for hours how long could the gun be in the hands of a criminal? At least when it is on you and it is taken, you will know when it happens and with all those cops around your shouts, etc. will prompt a quick response and recovery of the gun. Use some common sense when you post.


112 posted on 07/20/2007 7:01:02 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Those 1s and 0s you stepped in is a memory dump. Please clean your shoes." PC Confusious)
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To: stuartcr
The police are everywhere, on foot, on bicycle, stationed at every corner.

When seconds count call 911.

218 posted on 07/20/2007 9:21:17 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: stuartcr
stuartcr said: "I live in Chesapeake, I go to Norfolk regularly to attend the festivals. The number of instances where anyone has needed a weapon, at these festivals, is zero. The police are everywhere, on foot, on bicycle, stationed at every corner. He should have left it in the car."

Let's see if I understand what you are saying. The number of instances where a weapon is needed is ZERO. But for some reason the police, who I am assuming are armed, are EVERYWHERE. Do they just have nothing better to do? Are the taxpayers so frivilous in this jurisdiction that they spend money supplying officers for no reason?

Your statement might have a little more validity if these numerous officers were UNARMED. But they aren't, are they? Why is that?

262 posted on 07/20/2007 10:10:33 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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