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Bush defends his immigration proposals
Yahoo ^ | July 19, 2007 | DEB RIECHMANN, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 07/19/2007 5:27:42 PM PDT by backtothestreets

NASHVILLE, Tenn. - President Bush sharply challenged critics of his stalled immigration-overhaul efforts on Thursday, suggesting that failure to pass a guest-worker program could trigger a labor shortage in the United States.

At a town-hall style meeting, Bush also rebuffed a question about whether he would consider pardoning two Border Patrol agents in prison for the cover-up of the shooting of a drug trafficker in Texas.

"No, I won't make you that promise," Bush told a woman who asked about a possible pardon. Many Republicans in Congress have said the men should not have been convicted and have criticized the federal U.S. attorney for even prosecuting the agents.

"I know it's an emotional issue but people need to look at the facts. These men were convicted by a jury of their peers after listening to the facts" as presented by U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, said Bush. Bush called Sutton a friend.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; bs; bushamnesty; crime; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; invasionusa; law; openborders; propaganda; snowjob; trollthread
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To: Borax Queen

I think Harrison Ford is a leftie too. He has been at leftie events.

He starred in Steven Spielberg movies and Spielberg, while a great movie producer, is a leftie. In typical leftie tradition, he personally collects firearms, but doesn’t think the unwashed masses who patronize his movies (you and me) should be allowed to own one. (Maybe he’s related to Diane Frankenfeinstein or Jon “Look Ma no seat belt” Corzine.


301 posted on 07/20/2007 8:06:50 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

I’m sure Ford is. He used to play such patriotic roles (in my opinion), saving passengers, saving his wife, etc. - what a pity.

Nice about Spielberg, figures. Speaking of Diane and her mansions and wineries and libbie hypocrisy... I heard yesterday that Gavin Newsom (oh and speaking of metros), owns wineries too and is another spoiled rich brat... He campaigned on “taking mass transit” and seeing the city from the bus. All those northern CA flamers seem to own wineries and of course, employ illegal aliens.


302 posted on 07/20/2007 8:18:04 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Borax Queen

We need a third party.

If the Republicans can’t TAKE back CONGRESS, get Fred Thompson or Duncan Hunter elected, and start acting like MEN, its past time the Republican Party joined the Whigs and Federalists in the Museum of extinct political organizations. They should be replaced by a political party which can effectively counter the far left Bosheviks in the Democrat Party instead of playing games with them behind our backs.

America needs and DESERVES a political party with the backbone, guts, integrity, and testacles to fight the Democrat-Liberal counterculture plague which is destroying what so many un-named and forgotten heroes in the Revolution through the Iraqi War have bled and died to protect and defend.


303 posted on 07/20/2007 8:28:14 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

Amen and right on! End the dynasties!


304 posted on 07/20/2007 8:30:17 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (Presidente Jorge: "Y'all choose between Dhimmitude or Aztlantude!")
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To: ZULU
America needs and DESERVES a political party with the backbone, guts, integrity, and testacles to fight the Democrat-Liberal counterculture plague which is destroying what so many un-named and forgotten heroes in the Revolution through the Iraqi War have bled and died to protect and defend.

BTTT

305 posted on 07/20/2007 8:32:36 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: dynachrome
failure to pass a guest-worker program could trigger a labor shortage in the United States.

Fine by me. A shortage of labor will mean more money in the pockets of the average worker.

306 posted on 07/20/2007 8:33:56 AM PDT by Michael A. Velli (Go Mitt!)
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To: ZULU

bttt


307 posted on 07/20/2007 8:34:39 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President 2008!!!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

>>Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Voter Photo ID didnt pass...

Good try though Sen Dole...<<

Didn’t think the Dem majority would want to do anything about voter fraud, no surprise.


308 posted on 07/20/2007 10:35:42 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Illegals: representation without taxation--Citizens: taxation without representation)
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To: backtothestreets
"I know it's an emotional issue but people need to look at the facts. These men were convicted by a jury of their peers after listening to the facts"

Yeah. So was Scooter Libby. What's your point, Mr. President?

309 posted on 07/20/2007 10:45:01 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: George W. Bush
So Scooter Libby needs a pardon for 30 months but our Border Patrol agents can suffer over a decade because Bush won't pardon them.

Also keep in mind that Scooter would only have to have served in a minimum security Club Fed. The BP agents are doing hard time, locked away with murderers, drug smugglers, and the like, the very same people they were busting when they were on the job.

310 posted on 07/20/2007 10:47:53 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: Cowboy Bob

You nailed it,very well said.


311 posted on 07/20/2007 10:48:50 AM PDT by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: vetsvette

Best thing the Repub Party can do between now and ‘08 is to keep maximum distance from Bush.


312 posted on 07/20/2007 11:02:22 AM PDT by OldArmy52 (Bush's Legacy: 100 million new Dem voters in next 20 yrs via the 2007 Amnesty Act.)
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To: Jorge
This is not a hate Bush thread by any measure. People are expressing their disgust with his decision not to enforce current law and protect our nation.

Many, probably most are greatly disappointed he lacks the moral fortitude to draw a parallel between the pardon of Libby and the prison time doled out to border guards doing their duty.

No one, including President Bush, should ever be given a free pass simply because of membership in a political party or other group.

313 posted on 07/20/2007 12:43:09 PM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: Jorge
Vigilantes are very different than citizen militias. Vigilantes involve themselves in both applying enforcement they deem necessary AND acting as a judicial body to execute penalties for breaking the laws they deem necessary.

Unless you know otherwise, the Minutemen have never usurped or interfered with the lawful judicial processes in our nation. Vigilantes would in a heartbeat.

314 posted on 07/20/2007 12:58:58 PM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: azhenfud

I would put his “See you at the signing” remark in the same category as his “Bring it on” remark concerning insurgents in Iraq when peace seemed achievable. He is just outright arrogant.


315 posted on 07/20/2007 1:15:12 PM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: ChessExpert

I think the argument still has merit in that it shows the little difference between the Democrats and Republicans on spending policy. Conrad is basically saying of Bush, “See, we are alike”.

Even their tax policies differ little. One taxes in the present, the other through borrowing defers taxes to another day. Neither reduces the size of government that spends money so wastefully.


316 posted on 07/20/2007 1:39:03 PM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: Theodore R.

“1/3 of the people at the time of the American Revolution were open Tories.”

Well, from their point of view they were perhaps being true to mother England... not nessesarily traitors from that perspective.

A distinction I would make — if you will — is one who has been put in a position of trust and power: and then betraying that trust.

This is treachery or treason of the highest degree.

We expect our leaders — especially those elected to the most elevated positions of power — to take their oaths of office seriously.

If the aforementioned leaders stand in violation of their oaths of office then “we the people” also have a duty to divest such incompetents (to be kind) of the office — that we have so granted them.


317 posted on 07/20/2007 2:23:31 PM PDT by STE=Q ("Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock." (Will Rogers))
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To: twonie
Hi,

I just had to respond to your post. It is not enough to force teenagers to work if employers will not hire them.

Not all teenagers are out spending at the malls. There are currently about 2.8 million looking for jobs. These are teens and young adults aged 16 to 24. Their number is quite close to estimates of the number of illegal immigrants working in our nation. Not all of the 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants in our nation are working.

I have a solution that could put our youths back into the jobs they once held. Make them more attractive to employers by eliminating both the worker and employer contributions to SSI so long as these youth continue satisfactorily in school.

Such a change would allow more of our youths to attain a college education without going into debt, teach self-reliance, and provide the low-tech workers our economy needs.

318 posted on 07/20/2007 2:28:05 PM PDT by backtothestreets (My bologna has a first name, it's J-O-R-G-E)
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To: bcsco; indcons

The immigration issue opened the door to public knowledge of NAU, and that’s simply unacceptable.

Astute observation.

Like your tagline... says it all!


319 posted on 07/20/2007 2:29:24 PM PDT by STE=Q ("Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' until you can find a rock." (Will Rogers))
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To: STE=Q
Like your tagline... says it all!

Well, I had an American Indian take me (nicely!) to task over it. He pointed out that what happened to the American Indian in the 19th Century wasn't all bad. And, he has a point. Actually, we had a nice conversation back-and-forth.

320 posted on 07/20/2007 2:36:40 PM PDT by bcsco ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.")
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