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Looking for signs in a clash of cultures
The Washington Times ^ | 7-18-07 | Wes Pruden

Posted on 07/18/2007 11:54:49 AM PDT by JZelle

The authors of the war that nearly everybody thought was necessary at the time seem genuinely puzzled that so many Americans think all of Arabia isn't worth the life of a single American soldier.

If they're curious about why, the folks at the White House should read the stories that occasionally make it only to the back pages of the newspapers.

Item (London Daily Telegraph): "The imminent execution of a teenage maid in Saudi Arabia drew fierce criticism yesterday and provoked condemnation of the kingdom's prolific use of capital punishment. The case has brought fresh attention to the draconian Saudi criminal justice system, which is expected this year to set a record in its use of the death sentence."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: amnestyinternational; executions; islam; muhammadsminions; saudiarabia; waronislamism
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1 posted on 07/18/2007 11:54:52 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: JZelle

“A bloodthirsty minority should not be the standard by which others judge the Muslim majority”

uh huh...


2 posted on 07/18/2007 12:00:20 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

The author fails to understand the significance of the Kaa'ba and Mecca.

3 posted on 07/18/2007 12:05:36 PM PDT by expatguy (Support - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: JZelle

The Saudis are filthy, subhuman primitives. Nuke them and take their oil.


4 posted on 07/18/2007 12:06:51 PM PDT by lesser_satan
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To: sageb1

I typically will judge a group by the actions of the majority who sit by and let the minority of members do egregious wrong and have nothing condemning to day or do. Cowards all and just as bad as the small faction.


5 posted on 07/18/2007 12:07:55 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: JZelle
“A bloodthirsty minority should not be the standard by which others judge the Muslim majority”

How about: "Silence of the Muslim majority in the face of a bloodthirsty minority tells us all we need to know about this false religion."

6 posted on 07/18/2007 12:08:06 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Progressives like to keep doing the things that didn't work in the past.)
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To: JZelle
We have our own aficionados of the needle and the noose, after all, who sometimes gather outside the prison on the night of an execution to cheer when the electric lights dim.
The difference is in the crimes involved. In the US, those who fry have usually committed the most heinous of murders.

In muzzie-la-la-lands like Saudi Arabia, failing to say "how high" when your husband says "jump" can get you the death penalty.

So please, try to restrain yourselves, oh High-Handed and Arrogant Liberal Ones, from drawing parallels between the death penalty in America and the death penalty in wicked dictatorships.

7 posted on 07/18/2007 12:12:58 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: ClearCase_guy

So, we all agree that “all of Arabia isn’t worth the life of a single American soldier”?


8 posted on 07/18/2007 12:13:24 PM PDT by taylorstreet
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To: lesser_satan
The Saudis are filthy, subhuman primitives. Nuke them and take their oil.

As politically incorrect as that is, we'd be doing the world a favor.
9 posted on 07/18/2007 12:14:43 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Keep your friends close; keep your enemies at optimal engagement range)
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To: samtheman

So, you approve of people who do wait outside prisons to cheer when they throw the switch on the electric chair?


10 posted on 07/18/2007 12:16:27 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Keep your friends close; keep your enemies at optimal engagement range)
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To: expatguy
The author fails to understand the significance of the Kaa'ba and Mecca.

Yup... obviously, Pruden doesn't get it. He writes

“A bloodthirsty minority should not be the standard by which others judge the Muslim majority, even though official acts of certain Islamic governments, eager to behead now and ask questions later, inevitably invite harsh judgment. We have our own aficionados of the needle and the noose, after all, who sometimes gather outside the prison on the night of an execution to cheer when the electric lights dim. But most of us, even if sanctioning murder by fiat, regard these as solemn, even sad, occasions.”

11 posted on 07/18/2007 12:21:05 PM PDT by johnny7 ("But that one on the far left... he had crazy eyes")
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To: JamesP81
Some of them might be relatives of the victim, or some other victim. I don't know. And I did cheer Tookie's execution, even though I did so from inside my own home.

As for cheering from outside the prison... it might just be their way of protesting the anti-death-penalty protesters, who I definitely don't approve of, even though I recognize their right to be outside the prison protesting too.

12 posted on 07/18/2007 12:21:45 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: lesser_satan
Islamofascists (many Saudi) are people to be fought and brought to justice (either caught or killed).

The Saudi people--and Arabs in general--are neither subhuman nor necessarily filthy or primitive.

13 posted on 07/18/2007 12:25:13 PM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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So, you approve of people who do wait outside prisons to cheer when they throw the switch on the electric chair?

I don't know about Sam but I approve. However, most of the people outside of prisons when someone is executed are not cheering,they are bleeding hearts liberals who think there shouldn't be a death penalty, no matter what the crime. Some of the people cheering are friends of the victims, some are relatives who are not allowed inside the prison so do their cheering outside.

People who murder other people deserve to die, take a life and lose yours should be a hard and fast rule and appeals should be limited to 1 years. After that the mudering scum should be toast. Cheer? We should ALL cheer when they throw the switch on these murdering POS.

14 posted on 07/18/2007 12:25:23 PM PDT by calex59
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To: samtheman
Some of them might be relatives of the victim, or some other victim. I don't know. And I did cheer Tookie's execution, even though I did so from inside my own home.

I will make this statement categorically: if you cheer or get happy when someone dies, no matter who it is, something is wrong and you need to stop and examine your life.

This is not to say the death penalty is inherently unjust; it isn't. We don't put heinous criminals to death or send the Army to kill terrorists so we can feel happy at their destruction or satisfy some need for revenge. We do it because we have a responsibility to stop evil doers.

As for the DP in particular, at present, I feel like the state and our judicial system has demonstrated insufficient responsibility to be handed the power of life and death so I, for the moment, oppose allowing the government that power. If they demonstrate some common sense I'll change my position on that. Just because the DP is a just form of punishment doesn't mean our justice system is just enough to use it.
15 posted on 07/18/2007 12:28:59 PM PDT by JamesP81 (Keep your friends close; keep your enemies at optimal engagement range)
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To: lesser_satan
The Saudis are filthy, subhuman primitives. Nuke them and take their oil.

It would be cool if we could drill a horizontal well, elsewhere, that could tap into their wells at the source and suck out every drop we can get.

It isn't necessarily their oil...they're just closer to it.

16 posted on 07/18/2007 12:32:06 PM PDT by capt. norm (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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To: JZelle

Not to save Saudi Arabia, which stands to crumble like quiche in a crocodile’s mouth if Iran decides to be really belligerent.

Iran’s first target will be Israel, and to reach Israel, anything launched from Iran will have to traverse Iraqi or Saudi Arabian air space. Since the US is already in Iraq, any overflight of ANYTHING out of Iran is an unmistakeably hostile act. So to keep their profile a little lower, the airstrike would have to originate from southern Iran, and Saudi Arabia airspace would necessarily be involved.

Even the most defeatist government imaginable in Israel will not take such an assault without launching retaliation. And Saudi Arabia, willingly and with their permission, or otherwise, is going to be the unhappy recipient of the fallout of any exchange between Israel and Iran.

Saudi Arabia has the military capability of, say, the Netherlands, and about as much will to engage in combat. The House of Saud will be entrenched in their palaces and facing an internal mob which has the intent and will to take out what for years the rest of the world has recognized as a tyrannical regime, and once the palace guards are overwhelmed, the New Caliphate will be enthroned. Every blood or married relative of the House of Saud will somehow not last the following week, as root, trunk, branch, fruit, blossom, bud, leaf and twig of that family tree will be extirpated and eradicated.

The New Caliphate, being Sunni, shall then face, head on, the Shi’a apostates across the Persian Gulf. Once passions are aroused, there is no putting that genie back in the bottle.

The world had better have backup supplies of petroleum products available from somewhere, because, for sure, very little will be coming out of the Middle East for decades to come.

Ahmadinejad may yet see the coming of the Twelfth Imam.


17 posted on 07/18/2007 12:32:56 PM PDT by alloysteel (Choose carefully the hill you would die upon. For if you win, the view is magnificent.)
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To: beer
It's a muslim thang...

18 posted on 07/18/2007 12:34:50 PM PDT by evets (Beer)
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To: evets

And that was just a soccer game....


19 posted on 07/18/2007 12:38:34 PM PDT by alloysteel (Choose carefully the hill you would die upon. For if you win, the view is magnificent.)
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To: lesser_satan
I lived there for five years, and while you exaggerate, they are not to be loved.
One thing, there is VERY LITTLE crime in that country.
20 posted on 07/18/2007 12:39:30 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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