Posted on 07/17/2007 10:56:59 PM PDT by American in Israel
Correction: the 9th of 'Av this year equals the night of 7/23 and the day of 7/24.
Someone asked why Condi cancelled this weeks’ trip to Israel?
I didn't think the Pukestinians acknowledged the ancient presence of Israelites to build temples to be destroyed. How could the ancient Israelis be defeated on 9 Av if there were no ancient Israelis?
Some laugh at your belief in a secoming of Jesus, some laugh at the coming of the Mosiach (Jewish Messiah's return).
Leave it alone. All you will do is give your self a headache.
I know thousands of Jews(am one) and each is as different as a drop of rain water in a meadow's pool.
I'm assuming they mean that 'Israel loses', but can any of them say when Israel has LOST any real war that has been made on her? Both Arab attacks, in 1967, and again in 1973, ended with vital gains in land area for Israel, most notably the Golan Heights.
Maybe the Palestinians and other Arabs are thinking that because Olmert weenied out in Lebanon last year that the Israeli military is a pushover now. I believe it would be fatal for them to think that way, but far be it from me to try to convince them otherwise.
You expect logic from them?
Someone asked why Condi cancelled her trip to Israel this week.
Because she does not need the grief of being seen smiling and shaking hands with that asshole Olmert after he is blasted by the chair of the winograd commission and the State Comptroller(read: Inspector General of the Nation)for stupidity and incompetence.
Sort of like not wanting to shake the hand of someone who went to the toilet carelessly and did not wash afterwards.
Jewish leaders of today and yesterday, unfortunately are/were looking for a Messiah that will/would free the Jewish people from their enemies of this world. Since Jesus didn’t arrive as an earthly king and wipe out the Roman empire they dismissed him. What they missed is that He came to conquer the ruler of this world (Satan), the real enemy, and has already set them free through His perfect blood sacrifice. Not freedom from the oppression of earthly rulers, but freedom from the punishment of sin.
While I am confident that we disagree on many points, I have nothing but love for my Jewish brothers and sisters and stand behind Israel. Prayers for you and yours.
“I think it is a cop out by so many.”
This is the statement that I have trouble with. You are making a judgement call that isn’t yours to make. I could have said this was arrogance but if you think about it arrogance is really self righteousness. “Those Christians don’t do such and such but I do it” which is a setting yourself above those people and feeling superior to them. Spiritual arrogance is the way I see it and like I said it really is self righteousness.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
It may be a cop in your eyes but who are you to judge another man’s servant? It is in the eyes of the master if the servant pleases or displeases him. Christian’s have a Master in Jesus Christ and it is his judgement that is the only one that matters. To judge his Church or a portion of his Church is really saying God and Jesus Christ are not doing their job. The Apostle Paul never said that it was his job to present the Church holy and without blame before God Almighty. His job was to plant and water. It is the job of Jesus Christ to present his Church before God holy and without blame. So if there is anything lacking in the Church Jesus Christ will be working on it.
This judgement of Christians by other Christians is rampant and I am guilty of it too. No one, I believe, is without sin in this regard.
The idea that someone else could sacrifice for anyone else's sins appears nowhere in Judaism (same with the concept of forgiving someone for their sins against a 3rd party - I'm often asked why Jews can't forgive the Nazis for murdering other Jews...its impossible, even G-d Himself cannot forgive for wrongs not done to Him, so how could I do it?).
As for defeating Satan (who's not a fallen angel, not some red guy with hoofs, horns and a pointy tail, not a rival of any kind, but rather a tempter of Man at G-d's behest and command - "ha satan" - the satan, not "Satan" as in a proper name) - that's up to each of us to defeat our own personal Evil Inclination. No one can do it for us, that's our own burden to fulfill by deeds.
There's also no concept, no hint of any kind, of a Messiah needing a do-over to complete his job - and there's no way that the Jesus of your faith (or anyone else, for that matter) ever completed the job. BTW, Jesus was rejected by the vast majority of the Jewish People of the time because they recognized that Jesus didn't measure up to the status of Moschiach (however good Jesus may have been).
Please read the links I gave you - Jesus was Jewish and from Bethlelem (Beit Lechem, actually), but that's about all. Its too general, too many people (including King David) meet those broad criteria. Moschiach ben David (the Messiah descended from David) will not be killed by anyone, period. Moschiah ben Yosef (descended from Joseph) will be a warrior who will (or may, depending on one's point of view) die while fighting the real-world enemies of Israel. Jesus qualifies as a candidate for neither position.
Again, I don't seek to insult you in any way, especially as you seem to be such a moral person, but your understanding of things Jewish seems to be somewhat less than complete.
YES.
That was real . . . spiritually and tangibly—a chill—in Sept, for me.
I believe we’ll see it destroyed—even if from heaven.
I’m 60 years old and expect to see it destroyed.
Could happen with the attempt by Gog and Magog and Syria and Iran etc. to wipe Israel off the map.
Besides all that . . . Your instincts are not those of a novice there.
I think your instincts are quite well trained and balanced. And well worth trusting significantly, imho.
Thanks big.
Couldn’t find photo of the neut. Not much of a mushroom with that thing, however.
I agree about Rosenberg’s books. Well connected person and his books are well researched.
Even his fiction is full of facts.
We have too many politicians getting in the way.
= = =
INDEED.
And
We have too many politicians
—who are brainless
—who are traitors
—who are power mongers
—who are arrogant
—who are globalists [one of those is too many we have a majority]
—who are plain evil
—who are rank hypocrites
—who wouldn’t recognize the moral high ground if it fell on them.
—who are hollow shells
—who are beyond worthless
—who are pathological liars—e.g. Shrillery Klintoon
— . . .
Perhaps you could post your speculations regarding specific verses and such a war???
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