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Don't let Darwin make a monkey out of you
Crossrhythms ^ | July 16, 2007 | Steve Maltz

Posted on 07/17/2007 2:30:26 AM PDT by balch3

There are plenty of things in this life that we accept as true. Sometimes we grow out of them as we grow up, as in the case of Father Christmas, the tooth fairy and a decent postal service. As we become more aware of the world around us, then some previously accepted truths are discarded. Yet some are not and we go through life believing the same old stuff mainly because nothing else has come along to teach us otherwise. This is fine as long as there's some semblance of truth in what we're believing, but there are some things that we may have been taught that were untrue because the world has moved on and better explanations have been put forward. This can be more important than you think.

Does the term 'primal soup' stir any brain cells? It was an experiment by Stanley Miller in the 1950s that claimed to produce life out of a 'soup' of chemicals placed into a container full of gases and energised with a swift bolt of electricity. The idea was that this combination reproduced the conditions all those millions of years ago on Earth when life first appeared and the experiment attempted to do the same thing in a laboratory. Remember it now? Still believe that it's the best explanation of how life came to be? Think again.

This experiment has, for the last 20 or 30 years, been totally discredited by the scientific community, yet that little gem of information hasn't filtered through to us, or to our education system. Objections include the fact that they made wrong assumptions about the gases and the amount of electricity that would have been needed to make it work. In other words they managed to get most of the experiment wrong. Doesn't fill us with much confidence, does it? Yet some school textbooks still feature the experiment and, although others may feature it with a warning that it's not the best fit for the data, it is included because the scientists haven't found a better fit for the data and they had to provide some explanation that reflected their world view!

But there are deeper questions raised about the theory that life on Earth could have started in such a way. Such questions as where did we come from are answered these days by scientists following principles first proposed in the mid-nineteenth century by Charles Darwin under the all-encompassing umbrella of the Theory of Evolution. It has held sway ever since, with a firm grip on the hearts and minds of scientists the world over. Is that because it was a good theory? Not exactly. The problem is that it has been the only theory that science has come up with and, for many scientists, it has to be the only game in town because, for many of them, the alternative is unthinkable.

Make no mistake, despite its billing as the enemy of organised religion, for most scientists working today in a whole variety of disciplines, the Theory of Evolution has become a religious system of the highest order. With a set of dogmas firmly entrenched in the past, based around the holy book, "The Origin of the Species", Evolution is put forward as a mechanism to explain all the mysteries of life. It even has its priests, self-proclaimed spokesmen such as the biologist Richard Dawkins, to organise its worship. Dawkins has said, "it is absolutely safe to say that if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid, or insane (or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that)." If that is not blind faith then I don't know what is! What it does remind you of, though, is the medieval Church, zealous to protect its dogmas by vilifying the slightest deviation from them and burning "heretics" at the stake.

A basic assumption of Evolution is that life appeared by blind chance. The usual process, as already described, is that, given a few million or billion years, a hotch-potch of chemicals, swirling away in the right atmosphere will eventually produce the simplest form of life, from which will evolve, given a few more millions of years, into simple organisms, which will, after a few more million years, modify and change, with succeeding generations, into more complex organisms, eventually producing mankind.

It's the process whereby the "primal soup", given enough time, would eventually produce little old you and me, by way of amoeba, fish, small mammals and a variety of monkeys. It has reigned supreme in the scientific and educational community. The Natural History Museum is a virtual shrine to these ideas and schoolkids are spoon-fed on evolution as the explanation of the origins of life and humankind. Yet it is only a theory and any scientist will tell you that a theory is the best fit of available facts to explain a set of phenomena.

But it has not survived the scrutiny of impartial scientific discovery. The fossil record did seem to offer proof but, despite frantic searching over the last century and a half, vital 'missing links' that bridged species such as humankind and whatever came before us, have failed to emerge. Of course there is no time here to provide a solid, comprehensively reasoned rebuttal of the theory of evolution but the point I wish to make is that, if the theory of evolution had been judged like any other scientific theory, it would have fallen apart by now, its credibility all shot through because of its shaky foundations. But it has stood firm. Why?

To answer this question, we must realise that today, the Theory of Evolution is the scientific worldview, the status quo in the classrooms, the research labs, the libraries and colleges. But the Emperor has no clothes, or, at least, they are full of holes and the one abiding reason for this is a great fear. It's a fear that 'perhaps much of what I base my life's work on is a false foundation'. It's also a fear of peer pressure, of anticipated scorn, rejection and loss of livelihood. But the fear goes deeper than that and can be explained when we consider the 'half way' house proposed by many who have openly doubted the truths of evolution. They argue the case against blind chance and instead introduce the idea of an Intelligent Designer, a controlling presence, creating and guiding life as we know it.

In July 2005 more than 400 scientists put their name to the following statement: "We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged". They have voluntarily "out-ed" themselves, they have "come out of the closet", willing to declare openly what their consciences and scientific integrity have told them is true. One man, Professor Anthony Flew, has gone further. A firm disciple of Charles Darwin for fifty years, he has done an about-turn in his twilight years. Science "has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce life, that intelligence must have been involved" he says. "The argument for Intelligent Design is enormously stronger than it was when I first met it ... it now seems to me that the findings of more than 50 years of DNA research have provided materials for a new and enormously powerful argument to design."

The Professor is sure that there is an Intelligent Designer, but is not going any further. He stops just short of pondering metaphysical issues, but it doesn't mean we should do the same. Because, If Intelligent Design is a valid alternative to the Theory of Evolution, then who on earth is this Intelligent Designer? CR


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: anthonyflew; creation; darwin; evolution; fsmdidit; id; intelligentdesign; monkey
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To: BritExPatInFla

written by one man, (Moses) under the inspiration of the infallable Holy Spirit. so yes, infinitely less falable than a psuedo-science theorized by men


61 posted on 07/17/2007 7:47:32 PM PDT by FoolNoMore
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To: Vaquero

you have no reason (but circular reasoning) to believe that it was passed about by word of mouth, in fact it was not. Yet even so, in other cultures, oral histories are the normal mode of communicating past events and those that carry the histories are quite proficient at accurately retelling the story, unlike our own culture.


62 posted on 07/17/2007 7:47:33 PM PDT by FoolNoMore
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To: narby

and just how many words would you find acceptable? real faith is looking at yourself in the mirror and believing that your most distant ancestor was a rock...


63 posted on 07/17/2007 7:47:34 PM PDT by FoolNoMore
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To: Non-Sequitur

no doubt you are a follower of man made global warming for the same reason


64 posted on 07/17/2007 7:47:34 PM PDT by FoolNoMore
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To: PreciousLiberty

very true that science is the “anti-cult” unfortunately, evolution is a belief system in itself that masquerades as science. it is evolution that is cultish, not true science.


65 posted on 07/17/2007 7:47:34 PM PDT by FoolNoMore
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To: FoolNoMore
evolution is a belief system in itself that masquerades as science. it is evolution that is cultish, not true science.

Sorry, that happens not to be the case.

The theory of evolution is opposed by believers of some religions, who do anything to denigrate either the theory of evolution in particular or science in general in order to try to bolster their beliefs.

The theory of evolution follows the scientific method, as do other fields of study within science.

It is neither a cult nor a false science.

66 posted on 07/17/2007 8:01:50 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: FoolNoMore

‘very true that science is the “anti-cult” unfortunately, evolution is a belief system in itself that masquerades as science. it is evolution that is cultish, not true science.’

In what way does evolution diverge from the usual goals and methods of science?

Please describe the discrepancies between biological evolution and stellar evolution (note: they are not at all the same), from the standpoint of the scientific method. Or do you view the science of stellar evolution as a cult as well?


67 posted on 07/18/2007 3:38:00 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: FoolNoMore
no doubt you are a follower of man made global warming for the same reason

You would be wrong.

68 posted on 07/18/2007 3:52:22 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

notice I said “cultish”, not a cult.

anyway, the descrepancies and flaws in both bio and stellar evo are vast, so if you’d like, why don’t you pick one or two of your rock solid evidences and we can talk specifically about them intead of wandering all about the place.


69 posted on 07/18/2007 3:54:32 AM PDT by FoolNoMore
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To: Non-Sequitur

but why not? if evolution must be true since it is so popular among scientists - and why would it not be popular if it was not true - then surely man made global warming must be true for the same reason. if you do not subscribe to the global warming myth, then you realize that science is not a democracy and that the truth is valid even if it is not accepted by the majority.

How does it feel to be on the “wrong side” of science for once? i say congradulations are in order for you, a first step in becoming a true free thinker


70 posted on 07/18/2007 4:06:43 AM PDT by FoolNoMore
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To: Gengis Khan
What exactly is the theory of “Intelligent Designer”?


Right on! I feel that using the PC term “Intelligent Designer" is simply a hedge for not using the word GOD.

I am not ashamed to use the word God. That said now I wish to see proof positive in the Theory of Evolution of a single Missing Link. Do not attempt to insult my lame intelligent by sprouting an adaption withing a species (”Finches to Finches"”.

71 posted on 07/18/2007 4:17:19 AM PDT by CHEE (Shoot low, they're crawling.)
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To: FoolNoMore
if evolution must be true since it is so popular among scientists - and why would it not be popular if it was not true - then surely man made global warming must be true for the same reason.

Is jumping to conclusions and twisting the truth the only exercise you get? I support evolution because there is a considerable body of evidence to support it. I don't support global warming because there isn't a whole lot of evidence to support that.

How does it feel to be on the “wrong side” of science for once?

Not being a follower of creation science I wouldn't know. So tell us. How does it feel?

72 posted on 07/18/2007 4:29:48 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: FoolNoMore

“anyway, the descrepancies and flaws in both bio and stellar evo are vast, so if you’d like, why don’t you pick one or two of your rock solid evidences and we can talk specifically about them intead of wandering all about the place.”

I wasn’t talking of any flaws in the theories themselves, but of the application of the scientific method.

As far as I can tell, it was applied in a similar fashion in each case. What’s your take?


73 posted on 07/18/2007 4:30:43 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty

From Merriam-Webster
Main Entry: scientific method
Function: noun
: principles and procedures for the systematic pursuit of knowledge involving the recognition and formulation of a problem, the collection of data through observation and experiment, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses

the problem for both types of evolution is in the testing. with the supposed billions of years involved and imperceptably slow changes supposed to be taking place, there is a real problem in testing. Of Course, Creationists have similar problems, though not due to age, but they are at least up front about their presuppositions and biases.


74 posted on 07/18/2007 4:53:34 AM PDT by FoolNoMore
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To: Non-Sequitur

but sir, you used the “majority of scientists” card to support your arguement, i am only expecting that you would be consistant. since you are not consistant in that regard, why would you expect anyone else to be impressed by what the majority of scientists believe on another subject?

and sir, not be a follower of Prophet Gore, you are squarely on the wrong side of at least one heated scientific debate, at least as measured by the majority of scientists.


75 posted on 07/18/2007 4:58:49 AM PDT by FoolNoMore
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To: FoolNoMore

“the problem for both types of evolution is in the testing. with the supposed billions of years involved and imperceptably slow changes supposed to be taking place, there is a real problem in testing. Of Course, Creationists have similar problems, though not due to age, but they are at least up front about their presuppositions and biases.”

The idea with stellar evolution is that we can see stars at all stages of development in the night sky. Using sophisticated spectral techniques scientists have learned a lot about stellar composition and processes. We’ve now constructed stellar models using quite basic physics that demonstrate most of the features of real stars. My point is that with no direct measurements or observations over the lifetime of a single real star, scientists have learned much about about stellar evolution. Their theories fit the observed ground truth pretty well, with no recourse to deus ex machina or supernatural forces required.

The theory of biological evolution mirrors that description pretty well. In fact, the biologists have one big advantage - they can actually get their hands on living organisms and DNA.


76 posted on 07/18/2007 5:32:22 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: FoolNoMore

‘but sir, you used the “majority of scientists” card to support your arguement, i am only expecting that you would be consistant. since you are not consistant in that regard, why would you expect anyone else to be impressed by what the majority of scientists believe on another subject?

and sir, not be a follower of Prophet Gore, you are squarely on the wrong side of at least one heated scientific debate, at least as measured by the majority of scientists.’

Sorry to jump in, but I thought I’d point out one major difference - the debate regarding global warming is a scientific one on both sides. It is not a case of one side claiming “the Intelligent Cooler is going to cool things off, don’t worry about those newfangled satellite measurements”.

The thing about global warming is to keep your eye on BOTH important questions: “Is there a global climatic warming trend?” and (assuming the answer to the first question is ‘yes’) “Is the warming trend primarily caused by man (anthropogenic)?”. I’m very curious how the environmental groups will respond if it turns out that warming is real, but not caused by humans.


77 posted on 07/18/2007 5:38:38 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: CHEE

Ok so God created everything? Is that the theory? And where is the proof?


78 posted on 07/18/2007 5:38:52 AM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: CHEE
That said now I wish to see proof positive in the Theory of Evolution of a single Missing Link.

Science does not deal with "proof positive" but rather evidence. Nor does the term "missing link" have any real meaning. Science prefers "transitional."

This is a transitional, and it is evidence for the theory of evolution:



Fossil: KNM-ER 3733

Site: Koobi Fora (Upper KBS tuff, area 104), Lake Turkana, Kenya (4, 1)

Discovered By: B. Ngeneo, 1975 (1)

Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.75 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal, paleomagnetic & radiometric data (1, 4)

Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7), Homo erectus ergaster (25)

Gender: Female (species presumed to be sexually dimorphic) (1, 8)

Cranial Capacity: 850 cc (1, 3, 4)

Information: Tools found in same layer (8, 9). Found with KNM-ER 406 A. boisei (effectively eliminating single species hypothesis) (1)

Interpretation: Adult (based on cranial sutures, molar eruption and dental wear) (1)

See original source for notes:
Source: http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=33

79 posted on 07/18/2007 6:24:10 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: balch3
Does the term 'primal soup' stir any brain cells? It was an experiment by Stanley Miller in the 1950s that claimed to produce life out of a 'soup' of chemicals placed into a container full of gases and energised with a swift bolt of electricity.

More lies from the creationist industry.

The Miller-Urey experiment produced thirteen of the amino acids necessary for life from methane, ammonia, hydrogen and water using only electrical sparks.

Ironically no one followed up on this experiment.

Timely post considering Dr. Miller died this year in May.

80 posted on 07/18/2007 6:30:59 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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