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1 posted on 07/15/2007 7:30:19 AM PDT by BraveMan
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Please ping the Hooligans . . .


2 posted on 07/15/2007 7:31:02 AM PDT by BraveMan
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It’s probably like pilots. There are old bikers, and there are bold bikers, but there are no old, bold bikers.


3 posted on 07/15/2007 7:32:26 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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Keep you helmet laws off of my body!

Actually, I don't ride and do think that it should be up to the rider.

4 posted on 07/15/2007 7:34:37 AM PDT by csvset
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Tragic... but that’s the risk you take when you don’t wear a helmet.


6 posted on 07/15/2007 7:36:03 AM PDT by pnh102
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“But we don’t know what else, for example, things we could be doing to make motorcycles safer.”
Re-engineer them into sedans!
7 posted on 07/15/2007 7:38:02 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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What this article doesn’t tell us is how many bikers were killed by careless cagers.

In all reality, it might not be the biker’s fault but that of the car drives.

Yeah, I know, it doesn’t matter who is at fault, the biker is still dead, but articles like this tend to blame the victim.


8 posted on 07/15/2007 7:38:55 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (...and one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus. Not Peter, Paul, or Mary.)
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I too am alarmed about the trend. I have never had a motorcycle and don’t want one.

Some of the Vietnam Vets I have corresponded with have died in accidents on motorcycles. Seems many people in their early 60’s still riding. I would also say that automobile drivers are more aggressive today toward motorcyclists.

9 posted on 07/15/2007 7:42:22 AM PDT by BeAllYouCanBe (Until Americans love their own children more than they love Nancy Pelosi this suicide will continue.)
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"Many of them had experience riding bikes. But they're going back to a bike that's a lot different from what they learned on. They're bigger, they're heavier and the maneuvering is a lot different."

LOL...I'm bigger and heavier and maneuver differently from when I first learned!

I'd rather have my 800lbs and 1700 cc than my old light 650cc!

10 posted on 07/15/2007 7:42:45 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (...and one mediator between man and God, the man Christ Jesus. Not Peter, Paul, or Mary.)
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Riding days are way over but everyone will kiss the pavement at least once.........eventually.


12 posted on 07/15/2007 7:48:12 AM PDT by vietvet67
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Brain Bucket Bump

2X2 Bump (2 Wheels 2 drinks)

T-Bone Death Bump


13 posted on 07/15/2007 7:49:38 AM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Think not of today.)
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Riding motorcycles are just inherently dangerous. You have no cage around you, no restraints or airbags(yet), most have acceleration rates unfamiliar to most car drivers, limited braking ability, and require far more input into maneuvering than cars. All you can really do, is increase your odds. Like, wear a helmet, ride as if every vehicle on the road is out to get you, don’t ride a bike with performance beyond your experience, and don’t ride like a moron, who thinks the road is a race track. That is, if you are interested in increasing your odds.


20 posted on 07/15/2007 8:00:07 AM PDT by mutley
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Idaho is a good place to be if you need a kidney transplant. You see, there is no helmet law here and there are lots of people riding donorcycles without one. Only have to wait a year for a nice, fresh kidney since its former owner wrecked his bike.

I work in emergency medicine. If everyone rode donorcycles it would be a fair fight on the roads. Not everyone does, however, and I refuse to get into a road fight with something larger, helmet or not. Even riders who wear helmets suffer some of the most gruesome injuries imaginable.

The human body will suffer injury when it impacts anything at greater than 3mph. Greater velocity = greater injury. Think about that.


34 posted on 07/15/2007 8:16:59 AM PDT by 43north (I hope we are around long enough to become a layer in the rocks of the future.)
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There’s a reason motorcycles are called, “donorcycles”.


42 posted on 07/15/2007 8:35:09 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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Aside from the trends and the growing number of bikes on the road, it's difficult to explain the rising death toll. However, that could change in the coming years.

Helmet helmet helmet....

No mention of cagers with cell phones, DVD players, cooing at their navigation computers, yadda yadda yadda.

One thing hasn't changed, though.

"But, officer, I didn't see him!"

47 posted on 07/15/2007 8:43:03 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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I rode a motorcycle for over 20 years before having an accident. I was wearing full leathers, a full face helmet. While it did leave me a paraplegic, it did not leave me a traumatic brain injured paraplegic. So anytime I see or hear some anti-helmet idiot I feel like giving them the news. Don’t wear a helmet and you will certainly be more ****ed-up in your accident.


48 posted on 07/15/2007 8:47:50 AM PDT by Bogtrotter52 (Reading DU daily so you won't hafta)
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There are no old fools riding motorcycles. Motorcycles have a way of discriminating against fools,


55 posted on 07/15/2007 8:57:18 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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She has little tolerance these days for motorcyclists who forgo protective gear.

And I have little tolerance for busybody buttinskys who think their personal tragedies give them the moral authority to rule my life. Sarah Brady comes to mind. And Cindy Sheehan. And now this meddler ...

58 posted on 07/15/2007 9:01:06 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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I think to begin with, Wisconsin is probably one of the states that “sees” motorcyclists and bicyclists more than others (as indicated in the graph, “one of the lowest”).

It used to be said Wisconsin is the only state you can ride across on a bicycle trail. That may still be true.

I see couples not wearing helmets on cycles all the time and although I do admit it is their choice to wear one or not; riding motorcycles with a woman on back is like classic cars in the summer; a lot of the appeal is to the eye, to say cosmetic, but I think it is overtly dangerous to not wear a motorcycle helmet.

Check out pictures where helmets are not used, they are extremely grisly. I’ve come to the conclusion that a man doesn’t care about the passenger on the motorcycle if the passenger is not wearing a helmet.

... Save for a few jaunts in a neighborhood itself without helmets may be safe enough, but not anywhere where there is substantial traffic.

... But it looks cool!


62 posted on 07/15/2007 9:06:23 AM PDT by RGPII
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Tough news, but something many of us need to think about. The bike culture in the USA is not one big monolith as some people might suspect. People ride for different reasons. Unfortunately, there is a "Mrs. Twit" element in our society which really does think that if a motorcycle rider gets bonked, they somehow deserved it because they opted not to just throw on the blinders, strap on the feed bag, and turn on the tv.

For my two wheeled bretheren, lets be careful out there, your flash of anger, flip of the finger, or silly notion as to which bike is "cool" and which one deserves to have its rider cut off in traffic are seen by the general public.

To the non riding public. You have no right to assume anything when it comes to the man or woman you see on the road. Make room for the motorcyclist and leave the condescending derision to thought NOT action.

93 posted on 07/15/2007 10:18:03 AM PDT by StarfireIV ("We canot save ourselves if the picture of ourselves is in a troth." Bill Cosby)
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I'm not sure if this is the same accident from Wisconsin, but the storyline is; "helmet saved life."
106 posted on 07/15/2007 10:38:34 AM PDT by RGPII
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