Posted on 07/12/2007 7:08:19 AM PDT by Sub-Driver
I respectfully and most strongly disagree with you.
I may be for the God of Abraham, but that doesn’t mean others must be.
How does respecting someone’s right to believe differently affect my relationship with God?
What about the followers of the God of Abraham who don’t accept Jesus as His son and savior?
As a nation we must NEVER choose a religious belief. That is up to each individual.
This is moral equivalency run amok.
While there is no state religion, this country was founded on the Judeo-christian belief in a supreme being from whom rights are granted. This feel good nonsense has to stop.
If your faith is threatened by others merely expressing their faith, then perhaps you need to re-examine how strong your's actually is.
Great post. Thanks for the GW quote.
You are exactly right, but this is a personal choice you have when faced with the situation. When someone is leading a prayer to another god, it is your personal choice to take part. We don't act Christian, however, when we restrict others the freedom to express themselves.
Religious belief is a personal expression in one's heart. Religious expression is a legal freedom. Neither should infringe on the other. (ie, you shouldn't change your belief because another expresses theirs, nor should you restrict another's expression because it isn't your belief.)
Would you support laws that don't allow others to express non-Christian beliefs in public? Sure sounds like it to me.
Second paragraph:
“The three unidentified protestors began praying loudly when Rajan Zed, a Hindu chaplain from Nevada, started praying. The demonstrators prayed for forgiveness from Jesus Christ for “betraying” the Christian tradition.”
They were disruptive, presumptuous (praying ostentatiously for others’ sins), and quite rude. I get to call them anything I want. Dipshits like these give Christians a bad name.
You said: “I Am the Lord your God, you shall have NO strange gods before me”.
Can’t have it both way, either you are for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and His son Jesus Christ, or you are against him. As a nation, we must choose with whom our full allegiance lies.
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Allowing someone of another faith to pray, even in public, even in the Senate, is not a betrayal of one’s allegiance to the true God. People say things all the time with which we may disagree. Failing to shut them up is not an adoption of those beliefs. I am a Christian, and I like to think my faith is strong, but I recognize my faith for what it is: Faith. Others have faiths (or lack of them) that differ from mine. I would like to persuade them to adopt my faith, as I am, of course, correct in my faith and they are not (/smug attitude), but I am sure many of them feel just as confident in their faith as I do in mine.
Sorry to disagree with you on this.
So would you like to have the Establishment Clause removed from the First Amendment or not? The argument isn’t about whether we’re a Judeo-Christian nation or not. We clearly have been since the founding. That doesn’t mean we all must practice Christianity. As far as disrupting and shouting down the prayers of others, it’s utterly classless and disgusting, and demonstrates a great deal of insecurity about their own religion. If that’s what you consider defending your religion, perhaps you should convert to Islam, where that type of bigotry and intolerance is the norm. Otherwise, I suggest you pipe down, as such actions will gain you no followers.
I agree, this was a highly-unChristian thing to do. Did Christ walk into any of the Roman temples and yell and scream, preventing their worship? (if memory serves me correctly, there even was a temple to Diana erected right near the Jewish temple in Jerusalem) No, the only time we have an example of something like this was Christ going into the temple and throwing out the money changers.. This is very telling.. it was almost a statement of ‘clean out your own house’... he didn’t tell his followers to go around disrupting the pagans worshiping all around them..
Our God has many names but He is the same God, never changing. "You shall have no other gods before me". This statement by our God clearly implies one can have other gods but they are not the same God Christians worship. There is NO "what is meant as God" being lumped into an all inclusive god. Hindus, Muzzies, Budists, and on and on and on do NOT worship a living God. Our living God. All of their god's are dead or inanimate objects. It is blaspheme to use His name in conjunction with any little "g" god. When this nation finally falls completely apart, and that is where it is headed very quickly, we'll have your mind set that it doesn't matter which god/God one prays to - they are all one in the same. This is a lie of Satan and we'll pay the highest price for it.
It has nothing to do with what you or I say. It's what God says and you better be listening to the One True God. All others get you a hearing in hell.
Is the Constitution standing now in Washington, D.C.? Obviously not.
This isn't the case. The Senate floor can be looked upon as a public square and each member choosing to pray along is their personal choice and they face the consequences with God for that choice. Just as we are outraged when someone tries to take down a nativity or star of David from public views because of the freedom to place those, too, we should protect the freedom of others to express their religion.. for the moment we stop protecting the freedom to believe, we have condemned ourselves to lose that freedom too.
My faith is NOT threatened. It’s our nation that is threatened. I clearly know where my help comes from. It’s the state of the nation we are talking about. Our nation was given to us to be a light to the whole world. Our light gets dimmer every day. Perhaps you will understand when it’s totally gone and you have to live under all those gods you think are OK little “g”s. They ARE all one in the same, Satan. Choose this day Whom you will follow.
To me it is not so much a Hindu prayer being said that is an issue but rather is this indicative of the further balkanization of our country? Taking this one incident of a Hindu giving a prayer in and of itself is not a big deal but taken in the context of our overall nation AND the huge “multiculturalism” push and mantra it may be. To read some replies you could infer as far as they are concerned we could be 100% Hindu and it would still be America. That the Constitution would still stand no matter weather we are largely a Christian nation or an atheist nation. It concerns me to see so many who disregard the very founding of our country and what gave it it’s foundation. It seems that to some/many the Constitution and our nation would still exist or could have happen no matter what people or what religion was there at the beginning. This is the whole idea behind the Marxist interpretation of a “proposition” nation and ultimately the relaxing of nations and sovereignty. Again context is everything. Welcoming Hindus is one thing but when we lose our Christian foundation America will no longer be. It may a nation of some sort but it won’t be America.
Would you support laws that don't allow others to express non-Christian beliefs in public? A simple "yes" or "no" will do.
Doing Christiandom proud, I suppose.
We Christians did not need this.
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