Posted on 07/09/2007 11:09:29 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3
Toddler Was Denied Shower Access as Well:
A couple says their vacation was ruined when an RV park owner told them they weren't welcome after discovering their 2-year-old foster son had the HIV virus. Last week, Dick and Silvia Glover went to the Wales West RV Park in Silver Hill, Ala., with their foster son Caleb. When the boy was banned from using the pool and showers, the Glovers said they were offered an uncomfortable and painful choice: They could either keep Caleb out of the water or leave.
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However, per their procedures, chlorinated pool water was a permissible substitute for any of the cleaners. It kills everything decisively, including HIV.
What about Greg Louganis?
Sorry I respectufully and strongly disagree with you. If I knew there is NO WAY I would swim or let my healthy children swing or be in the same shower area with this child. Why willingly expose my family to this deadly virus. I fully back the park owner. PC thought kills, and this is an example of how it could. What if the kid slipped in the shower or by the pool and cut himself open. The park owner is supposed to shut the whole place down for toxic cleanup? BS.
1) It’s not his or my responsibility to prove anything. It's his pool and he's surely aware of the fact that his other guests have their opinions about it.
2) Two year old children poop and pee and spit and bleed and bite people in pools every single day... I don’t swim with them if at all possible, regardless of their HIV status. But knowing they have HIV would definitely weigh heavily on my decision.
3) If you say that you can’t catch HIV in that pool, and yet you don’t even know the chemical status of the pool, then you’re letting your emotions rule you.
What is the...
-Free Chlorine
-Combined Cholorine
-Temperature
-PH
-Cyanuric Acid level
If I know what those are then I can make a better decision regarding the likelihood of a particular virus to propagate in the water. If I don’t know what those are then discretion is more than appropriate.
Poor man! I'm sure they're wonderful people. The child is sweet. The Mrs. just chatted a bit too much and gave out too much information.
Still, the owner acted responsibly by asking for documentation from a doctor. He also might've worried that the woman would chat more with other people at the pool, and then he would have to deal with complaints from them and maybe even a loss of business.
I like how you declare it “foolish.” Give some facts. Don’t just quote a web page that doesn’t take most of the critical factors into account: the level of the virus in the infected person, the condition of the pool water (chlorine levels), and certainly, the condition of any potential contact person. If you understand why exactly it can’t be spread this way in light of all of these other variables, then state it.
The lists I’ve seen do not suggest precisely what level of chlorine is required to kill HIV in standing water. They also do not account for the mechanical process (if any) in the water and its effect on the virus or on the cells of potential victims—making them more or less susceptible.
What is the survival time in “average” chlorinated water of HIV, TB and Ecoli? You cite these examples but give no support of the assertion. You suggest HIV isn’t spread as TB or E coli. In every place a person will have TB (sputum) or Ecoli, the virus can and will be found, depending on the stage of HIV infection.
At the peak of infection, every part of an AIDS patient’s body will be basically sweating the virus, as more and more cell types become infected (not just t-lymphocytes).
The reason the other two are more contageious than HIV is because they are bacteria (living cells which will fight to survive) versus HIV, which is basically inert and needs help in getting to the cells it infects.
The lists people are posting don’t even take into account the condition of the potential victims and neither do you. Maybe some person in the pool has a compromised immune system from illness or by being on immunosuppressant drugs or something else in the long list of variables. All of these play a role in whether a person will be infected by a particular disease.
My advice to you would be to explain why there is no risk in detail instead jumping in like a parrot and calling everyone idiots because you found a webpage of guidelines which tells everyone “don’t worry. Everything is fine. bla bla bla,” which offers no counter argument, nor raw data (used to make these conclusions), and which was created without any oversight committee. And the list was heavily influenced by politics-I_guarantee_it.
As it should be.
My adopted niece died from HIV at the age of 12 but nobody knew she had it until a couple of weeks before she died. My two children played with their cousin like they would any other kid and never contracted the disease. When we found out she was sick we were told by many different doctors that there was nothing to worry about. Watching this poor little innocent girl die from this disease was one of the hardest things I had to go through. We treated her the same way we always did but I could tell that she was embarrassed,even though she was born with it.
What does being able to swim in a pool have to do with biting?
Okay, so don’t think about it.
The fact that the HIV virus can not live outside the human body was determined by politics?
I lived near a town in the late-80s that wanted to shut down the town swimming pool because one of the swimmers had AIDS. They had a number of infectious disease specialists discuss the science behind it and everyone was fine. As far as I know, no one ever caught HIV from swimming in that pool.
Surely 25 years into this epidemic, we would have heard of ONE person getting this disease from a pool.
What about him? you are implying he contracted HIV through pool water?
Don’t get mad,,,This is about that little one with AIDS,,we had classes ( GOV Type ) every year on HIV when it first hit our shores and no one knows everything about this disease..But more than likely with this youngin’ one of the two parents had it..That is the sad thing..This disease Kills,,remember that..
DING DING DING!! We have a winner!
Nothing is a bigger health risk in a pool, than a kid that’s crapped their swimmers diaper.
I hope your Bic was lit when you posted that.
I reckon it was,,did’nt think about it though..
Ecoli has been shown to be spread even in a chlorinated pool, or did you miss those headlines? TB is an airborn disease spread simply by inhaling! HIV is not spread through inhalation or even swallowing of infected material.
HIV is only spread through direct introduction of the virus to the bloodstream.
Fact is a kid in a crapped diaper is the most open health risk there is in a pool!
There are about 1 million people in america that are HIV+, that’s about 1 in 300.. now do you really think if HIV were passed through pool water that public pools that service thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people a year could stay open? Let alone water parks that service between 7500 and 15,000 people a day?
The likeihood of getting HIV if pricked by a need used by an HIV+ patient is about 1 in 300, it increases somewhat if hte needle goes very deep, and obviously more if infected blood is injected into the victim, but that’s an insanely small transmission risk when given direct exposing the virus to its desired habitat! The likelihood of you catching HIV if HIV+ fluids are splashed in your face or eyes is less than 1 in 1000... so unless you are planning on drinking loads of that sweat pouring off the infected you are talking about, or washing your eye in it for hours you aren’t very likely going to be catching HIV from having their blood directly in your mouth or eye, let alone trying to say that having chlorinated water (which kills the virus on contact) causing you to contract it. The facts just aren’t there for such paranoia. These are CDC statistics, not some advocacy web site.
If someone is paranoid about diseases they shouldn’t be in a public pool at all, but not because some HIV patient was in it, but because tons of kids have peed and crapped in that water over the course of the summer.
If you are immuno deficient for any reason, being exposed to public pool water is just a bad move, but not because you are going to catch HIV.. you won’t. But you may catch any number of diseases known to spread through human fecal matter, such as crytosporidium, which CDC tests have show fecal matter in the pool actually provided a protectiveness to this parasite against chlorine.
You aren’t going to catch HIV from a swimming pool, and its beyond ignorant that if you have been in any public swimming pools that you have never shared pool water with an HIV infected person. HIV is not spread in such a manner, fortunately.
If it were spread so casually, we’d be buried in victims, most of whom would be younger, and public pools as we know them would not exist.
This is not a new controversy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Louganis
In 1995, Louganis's autobiography co-written with Eric Marcus, entitled Breaking the Surface, was published. Louganis revealed publicly the physical abuse he suffered from a live-in lover and that he was HIV-positive. The announcement caused some controversy because many felt he should have informed the treating doctors and those who used the pool of his HIV status following his injury, which caused light bleeding, in the 1988 Seoul Olympics. However, those using the pool following the injury were never in danger of infection.[citation needed]
The last line sounds like a bit of editorializing (without scientific proof). I suppose you can cite the chlorine and other chemical agents in a pool as a safeguard against disease.
Is there any disease that has ever been propagated by swimming pool or hot tub?
But I do remember,,only time I can think of that it snowed in Pensacola,Fla. ( Mar. 12,1993 ),4 inches of snow in South Central Alabama,, Global Warming and all,,Wait that’s another thread..
Here more scenarios - ever go to the grocery store? ever use the carts? Your kids ever go to a playground and use equipment? Ever rent DVD's? Go to the library? Eat at restaurant? All of these places are hotbeds for cross-contamination. We are surrounded by opportunities for illnesses and we knowingly expose ourselves everyday, just by leaving our houses or allowing outside items and people to enter our houses.
Seems to me, a 2 year old swimming in a clorinated pool is about the least of my worries. As far as slipping and cutting himself in the shower? I would advise avoiding all showers for precisely that reason - you just don't know who has been there and what they have done on the floor. Pretty gross if you ponder on it.
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