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Verizon copper cutoff traps customers
AP via Yahoo ^ | 07/08/07 | DEBORAH YAO

Posted on 07/08/2007 9:43:28 AM PDT by Abathar

PHILADELPHIA - When Henry Powderly II ordered Verizon Communications Inc.'s FiOS fiber-optic service, he knew he was about to be connected to the future of telecommunications. He also got unplugged from its past. Which meant that while Powderly was gaining features, he was losing some telecommunications options.

Verizon's installer — without warning, Powderly says — removed the copper wires that used to carry his phone calls. For most of the world, copper still links homes and businesses, as it has for a century.

Verizon's new high-bandwidth fiber lines are fully capable of carrying not only calls but also Internet data and television with room to grow. But once the copper is pulled, it's difficult to switch back to the traditional phone system or less expensive Digital Subscriber Line service. And Verizon isn't required, in most instances, to lease fiber to rival phone companies, as it is with the copper infrastructure.

What's more, anyone who owns Powderly's house in the future will face higher bills with FiOS than another home with copper. Right now, for instance, Verizon's DSL plans cost as little as $15 a month. FiOS Internet starts at $30 a month.

"I was not given an option," said Powderly, a 30-year-old Long Island, N.Y. resident.

As it hooks up homes and businesses to its fiber network, Verizon has been routinely disconnecting the copper and, many subscribers say, not telling them upfront or giving them a choice. More than 1 million customers have signed up for a FiOS service, which is offered mainly in the suburban areas of 16 states.

Verizon spokesman Eric Rabe said customers should have been notified at least three times — once by the sales representative when FiOS is ordered, by the technician before copper is cut and through paperwork given to the customer. Some customers say that hasn't happened.

The New York phone company has made it clear its entire network is going to fiber-optics. Verizon has decided to spend $23 billion to make fiber available to 18 million homes by 2010. Network maintenance savings could top $1 billion a year, Verizon said.

"It's a huge expense to maintain those copper networks," said Scott Randolph, federal regulatory director at Verizon. "At some point in time, it would not make sense to operate two networks."

Mark Cooper, research director at the Consumer Federation of America, says there are other reasons for snipping the wires.

"They don't want to maintain it — they don't want the expense and they don't want the competition," he said.

Under the Telecommunications Act of 1996, incumbent phone companies like Verizon must lease to rivals their copper network. That's generally not the case for next-generation fiber systems. And so far, Verizon has filed more than 100 notices with the Federal Communications Commission to retire portions of copper throughout its network.

The FCC allows the retirement of copper as long as public notice is given so the phone companies can work together to ensure the smaller companies' access. But rivals say access at reasonable prices is not guaranteed and it's just a matter of time before they're cut off.

"It's a horrendous situation ... We don't let General Motors build a highway and decide what size cars to let on the road," said Joe Plotkin, marketing director for Bway.net, a New York Internet provider. "The small guys have tried to fight this re-monopolization of the network infrastructure."

He and other smaller rivals contend the communications market is fast becoming a two-player game between giant phone and cable companies — diminishing consumer choice.

While AT&T Inc. and Qwest Communications International Inc. are also retiring their copper networks, they're not touching the so-called "last mile" of copper wiring that runs from each customer's dwelling to the central office where other lines aggregate. Laying fiber, a robust pipeline, through the last mile is much more expensive because each line goes to a particular home or business.

Verizon is taking the pricey route because it believes fiber offers a superior service that will lure customers away from cable operators, who now offer telephone service in addition to television and high-speed Internet.

Besides limiting options down the road, the switch to FiOS can have other implications. Unlike copper-connected phone service, FiOS doesn't work during power outages once a backup battery goes out — not even for emergency calls. Home-alarms and certain other devices work best with copper.

Rabe, the Verizon spokesman, said the company will restore copper to homes if the customer insists, but Verizon would rather not reconnect the copper and will try to convince the customer to agree. At any rate, the phone giant provides ample warning, he said.

An example of what Rabe describes as adequate notice is the fine print on Verizon's FiOS policy, which is printed on its Web site. It says "current Verizon Online DSL customers who move to FiOS Internet service will have their Verizon Online DSL permanently disabled after their FiOS conversion."

Bill Kelm, a FiOS customer in suburban Dallas, filed a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission last year because of Verizon's "inconspicuous" policy rules.

"It's buried within these long terms of service that people never take the time to read," he said. "It needs to be more conspicuous."

While Kelm has no quarrel with FiOS itself — he pays $145 a month for TV, Internet and phone — he would like to have been told before he signed up that Verizon would cut the copper. He was counting on Verizon's clearly advertised 30-day money back guarantee in case he didn't like the service and wanted to switch back.

"I blew a gasket," Kelm said. "The 30-day money back guarantee was worthless in my opinion."

He's also concerned that Verizon initially priced its current FiOS service lower only to jack rates up once the subscriber is reeled in.

"Then, you're stuck," Kelm said.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fios; verizon; verizonfios
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"He's also concerned that Verizon initially priced its current FiOS service lower only to jack rates up once the subscriber is reeled in. "

Oh Please, there is no way Verizon would do something like that to it's customers!!

/major sarcasm off

1 posted on 07/08/2007 9:43:31 AM PDT by Abathar
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To: Abathar

But...but...but all those people follow you around to help you and...and..


2 posted on 07/08/2007 9:48:24 AM PDT by CAWats (Women should be well-behaved)
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To: Abathar
He’s lucky the copper thieves didn’t get to it first and rip everything out.
3 posted on 07/08/2007 9:49:39 AM PDT by SouthTexas
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To: Abathar
Destroy your service then send a newbie to try and reinstate it, while billing you for it. Yup, that’s Verizon.
4 posted on 07/08/2007 9:50:04 AM PDT by kinoxi
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To: Abathar
Let's see ~ fiber ~ we've got Verizon, Qwest, AT&T and COX. For copper we have Verizon and Commonwealth (the power company which also offers internet and phone over the power lines).

There's probably somebody else out there in my lawn somewhere.

One of my neighbors has 5 satellite dishes, each pointed to a different satellite.

The former Peruvian Colonel who brought his personal lightweight helicopter with him still has it parked out back of his house too. Wonder why he keeps it.

5 posted on 07/08/2007 9:50:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Abathar

Yup, there are at least three reasons for this.....

“they don’t want the competition — they don’t want the competition and they don’t want the competition,” he said.


6 posted on 07/08/2007 9:52:50 AM PDT by PinkDolphin (If you think health care is costly now, wait until you get it for free.)
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To: SouthTexas

It’s gonna’ take one heckuva’ lot of 22ga. double-twisted phone wire to buy a six-pack.


7 posted on 07/08/2007 9:53:53 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

Hehehe, got that right.


8 posted on 07/08/2007 9:55:44 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading the article since 2004)
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To: Old Professer

It all adds up, phone wire, electrical wire, and copper water lines are all being taken. Read a story yesterday where thieves had stripped a brand new air conditioner at a church.


9 posted on 07/08/2007 10:00:55 AM PDT by SouthTexas
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To: Abathar

Thanks for posting this. Very interesting.


10 posted on 07/08/2007 10:04:52 AM PDT by Clara Lou (Fred Thompson, '08-- imwithfred.com)
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To: Abathar

Does anybody have Fios and is it faster than Comcast?


11 posted on 07/08/2007 10:17:25 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: Abathar

I smell a class action lawsuit.


12 posted on 07/08/2007 10:17:54 AM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: Abathar

Good riddance to copper wirelines. The U.S. telecommunications infrastructure is falling behind many other countries. Analog service should be phased out quickly. The cost of fibre will drop as it is deployed more widely.


13 posted on 07/08/2007 10:26:42 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: Abathar
While AT&T Inc. and Qwest Communications International Inc. are also retiring their copper networks, they're not touching the so-called "last mile" of copper wiring that runs from each customer's dwelling to the central office where other lines aggregate. Laying fiber, a robust pipeline, through the last mile is much more expensive because each line goes to a particular home or business.

I'm a little confused. Are they taking the wire out of his home? Or just disconnecting the wire going to his house? Unless the entire area goes fiber they will still have to retain the other cables going to surrounding homes. It's simply a matter of tying the wires in at the hub.

14 posted on 07/08/2007 10:36:44 AM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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I smell a class action lawsuit.

I wouldn't be suprised if a class action suit is in the making. Once lawyers smell blood in the water they are like sharks. I have Verizon FIOS and they took away my copper after transitioning over the phone service. I don't really care much because the service is better and alot cheaper right now anyway. At least in my area it is. When I disconnected the cable service the cable company came and removed their wire and box from outside my house without asking either. Who cares? They didn't charge me to install the service when I first signed up for cable tv and they had to run a new line to the house. I had a similar situation where my mother lived and there was no extra charge for running copper wire back to the home.

15 posted on 07/08/2007 10:39:23 AM PDT by Wiggins
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To: Abathar

“Unlike copper-connected phone service, FiOS doesn’t work during power outages once a backup battery goes out.....”
Neither does copper. Once the central office is down everything that it serves is down.


16 posted on 07/08/2007 10:54:30 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: raybbr
I'm a little confused. Are they taking the wire out of his home? Or just disconnecting the wire going to his house?

They are simply taking the Verizon copper line from the curb to your house out. They are not touching the internal wiring in your house. Also, they are only supposed to do it for Verizon copper lines. They can't come in and rip out another company's copper lines (when I got Fios, the installer specifically said he couldn't touch the existing service provider's copper line).

The whole thing is just silly - you can easily have another company come out and install the copper line when you sign on for phone service with them. I guess the only valid complaint is if you wanted to switch back to copper Verizon service.
17 posted on 07/08/2007 11:10:58 AM PDT by TexasAg1996
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To: Abathar

I saw it in the fine print; that’s why I’m still on DSL.

Verizon customers should check around; Verizon is charging about twice as much for DSL as is AT&T in this market.


18 posted on 07/08/2007 11:11:57 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: em2vn
Neither does copper.

Absolutely not true. You have been sadly misinformed. During a recent power outage my hold landline phone worked just fine for calling the power company.

19 posted on 07/08/2007 11:15:04 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Abathar; All
" "It's a horrendous situation ... We don't let General Motors build a highway and decide what size cars to let on the road," said Joe Plotkin, marketing director for Bway.net, a New York Internet provider."

The speaker of those words intended them for the opposite affect that they prove - GM did not build the "old" highway for its cars, the public did through taxation, but Verizon did build the old highway for its phone lines - IT'S VERIZON'S PROPERTY.

If "the public" wants to maintain that backward compatibility for the old copper lines, then the politicians are fully capable of raising your taxes, buying the old copper lines from Verizon and operating them as a politically managed government enterprise. Wouldn't that be lovely?

The price of using it may be regulated but that is regulation based on price controls, not ownership. It's still Verizon's property and if the choice is between higher than needed prices for new technology, to include the cost of inefficiently maintaining the old, or junking the old, then I'm in favor of junking the old. If someone else wants to invest $23 billion on their own network in the states served by Verizon, they are free to do so.

Microsoft will no longer maintain Windows 98 (which I use), and increasingly the newest versions of things I want on my computer are no longer available for my OS. Is Microsoft obligated to maintain my backward compatibility. No. And neither is Verizon.

20 posted on 07/08/2007 11:18:21 AM PDT by Wuli
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