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What the ice tells us, 'experts' don't care to hear (David Warren)
Ottawa Citizen - Canada ^ | Saturday, July 07, 2007 | David Warren

Posted on 07/07/2007 7:08:48 PM PDT by GMMAC

What the ice tells us, 'experts' don't care to hear

David Warren, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Saturday, July 07, 2007


Surely summertime is the best time to think about ice caps. And it is certainly summertime again up here in the northern hemisphere. Down there in the southern, I have noticed from passing weather reports, new cold records have been set in sundry locations in Patagonia, South Africa, Australia -- just as the "global warming" scare is peaking.

My reader will of course realize it is winter down there, and winter is when cold records tend to be set. Conversely, heat records tend to be set in the summer. (Think carefully about this, for there is value in restating the obvious at a time when climatological "experts" speak as if convinced the world's weather is governed by carbon dioxide emissions as opposed to, say, the sun.)

Happily enough, I have also been glancing at polls that suggest that such "experts," together with the government bureaucracies that have most to gain from encouraging them, and the media that want a good scare story, have done a poor job of ramming global warming down our throats. The great majority of North Americans, at least, simply do not believe them.

As well they might not, for various reasons I have given in previous columns. The main point being, among the intelligent but uneducated, that weather forecasters with billion-dollar computer assemblies are so often wrong about the day after tomorrow. Why would they be right about the next 100 years?

As George Orwell said -- and I'm sure, would have said specifically about the rage over CO2 levels -- there are some ideas so silly that only intellectuals can believe them. Alas, intellectuals hold power out of all proportion to their numbers in any literate society.

Somewhere between the harmless nonsense believed by the masses and the malicious nonsense believed by intellectuals is something that might be characterized as objective fact. This is what is accessible to the clear-headed person, who subscribes to the distinctively western, faith-based notion that the universe makes the kind of sense that will repay disinterested investigation.

So back to those ice caps. There is a big one at the north end of the planet over Greenland (with substantial glaciation and sea-cover besides), and an even bigger one at the south end, over Antarctica. In the first flush of the global warming hysteria, we were treated to alarmist reports of unprecedented ice-cap melting, and warned that if it continued the seas would overflow (to say nothing of the effect on ocean currents, salinity and other aspects). That is the scenario that the incredibly irresponsible Al Gore is still running with, long after it was dismissed even in reports from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

More recent research indicates that while parts of each ice cap are getting warmer, other parts are getting colder. And the most recent -- published this week in the magazine Science (see "Erske Willerslev, and others") -- begins to explain why the ice cap over Greenland has remained stable over several hundred thousand years, while glaciers elsewhere have spread and retreated. I refer the learned reader to my source, for explanations that would take more space than I command.

We already knew, from history, that the edges of Greenland were so warm 1,000 years ago as to be farmed by early Viking settlers; then became so cold in the "little ice age" a couple of centuries later as to wipe out that culture; then fluctuated again. This was all before modern technology had managed to explode its first steam boiler.

Yet the ice cap over even the southernmost interior of Greenland remained, more than two kilometres thick. And as we now know, from ice cores right through it, it has so remained for nearly half a million years, come ice age, come thaw.

More breaking news; for under that, there are frozen remains (and DNA samples) of lush forests of pine, yew, and alder; butterflies, moths, flies, beetles, and "all things like that."

What does that tell you? Something interesting, to be sure. But for what that is, we will have to wait, until we have a much broader picture.

There is an old principle among sailors, from the days before global positioning systems, and even before reliable charts. When you see land, after many weeks of sailing, you do not decide too quickly what land it is. You wait until you have had a good look, lest your first thought subvert all subsequent observations. For sailors who jump too quickly to conclusions will drive their ships onto unsuspected shoals.

David Warren's column appears Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday.

© The Ottawa Citizen 2007


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: environonsense; globalwarming; kyoto; moralclarity

1 posted on 07/07/2007 7:08:51 PM PDT by GMMAC
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To: fanfan; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ...

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2 posted on 07/07/2007 7:10:27 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC
"More breaking news; for under that, there are frozen remains (and DNA samples) of lush forests of pine, yew, and alder; butterflies, moths, flies, beetles, and "all things like that."

"What does that tell you? Something interesting, to be sure. But for what that is, we will have to wait, until we have a much broader picture."

Or ... you can read the bible and believe that God created the Earth and that it was covered by a flood ... and surely suffered trauma from its original form.

One religion versus another.

I choose God.

3 posted on 07/07/2007 7:16:13 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

I am often reminded that God saved Noah’s family while destroying all the rest of Mankind.

The consensus of mankind against God didn’t change truth at all.


4 posted on 07/07/2007 7:27:38 PM PDT by barnicus (- DUNCAN HUNTER - 2008)
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To: GMMAC
Your Canada Ping image sends FR members to:

Image hosting, free photo sharing & video sharing at Photobucket

?????

5 posted on 07/07/2007 7:30:14 PM PDT by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: barnicus
"The consensus of mankind against God didn’t change truth at all."

Truth is not up for arbitration.

6 posted on 07/07/2007 7:49:01 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: GMMAC

What a silly arguememt. Everyone knows GWB caused global warming!!!


7 posted on 07/07/2007 7:57:49 PM PDT by bubman
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To: Buddy B
It's a graphic image, like many used in association with various ping lists on FR, which merely happens to be stored on Photobucket.

Given Photobucket doesn't charge for this service, surely it can hardly be faulted for this bit of self-promotion?
8 posted on 07/07/2007 7:58:58 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC

The northernmost settlement in North America is Alert, Nunavut, population 5. The northernmost city in the world is Barneo, Russia, population 100. The northernmost point of land in the world is Kaffeklubben Island, Greenland, population 0. Barneo is an ice sheet. The sea around Alert is covered with pack ice year-round. Gravel banks on Kaffeklubben are constantly being moved by sea ice. Global warming is alive and well.../sarc


9 posted on 07/07/2007 8:01:06 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat (Senators suck...the ones in Washington and on Ottawa's NHL team)
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To: GMMAC
"Down there in the southern, I have noticed from passing weather reports, new cold records have been set in sundry locations in Patagonia, South Africa, Australia -- just as the "global warming" scare is peaking."

Actually, it's been rather warm this winter. Today is the coldest day yet (currently 14F), but hardly a record.
10 posted on 07/07/2007 8:03:00 PM PDT by ndt
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To: G8 Diplomat
Elsewhere, Adolf Sax, inventor of the saxophone, was born in Belgium.
11 posted on 07/07/2007 8:05:34 PM PDT by GMMAC (Discover Canada governed by Conservatives: www.CanadianAlly.com)
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To: GMMAC
They found this in the ice: Sorry, I'm on a Transformers high.
12 posted on 07/07/2007 8:12:30 PM PDT by wastedyears (Freedom is the right of all sentient beings - Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime)
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To: GMMAC
Basic References:

Lawrence Solomon's "The Deniers" (a series of articles on the view of scientists who have been labelled "Global Warming Deniers"):

Other References:


13 posted on 07/07/2007 9:11:39 PM PDT by sourcery (fRed Dawn: Wednesday, 5 November 2008!)
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To: sourcery

Thank you very much for these links and references. Glad to have them.


14 posted on 07/07/2007 10:05:43 PM PDT by miele man (Continually voting against iodine deficient libs for 42 years)
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To: GMMAC; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; Cannoneer No. 4; ...
It is amazing how quickly a thread can go off topic.

People, the subject matter is climate change, not religion.

Particularly more evidence contradicting Gore's climate alarmist video that seems to have acquired popular immunity from criticism.

Tell a lie often enough and it becomes conventional "truth". Particularly so if those attempting to refute it get distracted and lose focus.

15 posted on 07/08/2007 3:09:58 AM PDT by Clive
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To: GMMAC

Trying to confuse Algore with the facts?

How cruel.


16 posted on 07/08/2007 5:53:09 AM PDT by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: wastedyears

Yep :) same here.


17 posted on 07/08/2007 7:03:27 AM PDT by oakcon (Dulce et Decorum est pro Patria mori)
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To: wastedyears

Saw the film yesterday. For a movie based on a crappy 1980s kiddie cartoon, it was pretty good. As a chihuahua owner, I particularly appreciated the line,”You have a rodent. Shall I exterminate it for you?”


18 posted on 07/08/2007 8:07:30 AM PDT by Verloona Ti
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To: All
Just back from Alaska and sailed through Glacier Bay where there was all sorts of evidence of the global warming/sarcasm on.
19 posted on 07/08/2007 8:15:39 AM PDT by Spottys Spurs
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To: sourcery

Thanks so much for those links! It’s great to have this stuff all in one post!


20 posted on 07/08/2007 9:06:58 AM PDT by alwaysconservative (Enforcement, enforcement, enforcement. . .)
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