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GOP Congressman Joins Domenici in Breaking With White House on War [Doolittle says "quagmire"]
E & P ^ | July 5 07 | E & P

Posted on 07/05/2007 9:58:02 PM PDT by freedomdefender

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To: freedomdefender

And by the way, we have a ways to go before we surpass the time spent fighting in Vietnam.


21 posted on 07/05/2007 11:29:48 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: freedomdefender
Why are you asking this now, then answering your own questions further down the thread, while still avoiding my question to you about which state you hail from, or reside in?

I think maybe you are coming into question here to some degree...

22 posted on 07/05/2007 11:32:05 PM PDT by SierraWasp (SIERRA REPUBLIC!!! (our 51st united state)(all of CA excluding coastal counties))
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To: SierraWasp

You have to wonder what reality this fellow inhabits. Zawahiri came out today and said that Iraq is the central front in the war against Al Qaeda. And yet freedomdefender wants to abandon that front because the war is taking too long. Apparently, he would like the war to end sooner with us suffering more casualties because that is what happened in ‘good’ wars like WII and the Civil War.


23 posted on 07/05/2007 11:39:21 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: vbmoneyspender

Some of those who want us to pull out never thought Iraq was a threat in the first place.
They are devoid of all knowledge and reason.
They are more interested in economy, and state politics.

This enemy is like no other we have ever fought.
If we pulled out two yrs. ago or next week, the IslamOFascist are still coming after us, be it
Calif. London, etc.
And for those who think only about 401Ks and the economy,
They don’t make pockets in shrouds


24 posted on 07/05/2007 11:52:45 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: freedomdefender

Just wondering: Have you ever given consideration to changing your nick?


25 posted on 07/05/2007 11:53:57 PM PDT by thelastvirgil (Lest ye put all your faith in the government to provide for you, check their track record.)
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To: spyone
I like what i see over there for the last few weeks.

How are you seeing it? Are you up close?

26 posted on 07/05/2007 11:54:39 PM PDT by leadpenny
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To: freedomdefender
I think you have been listening to Ron Paul too much. Better face it. This stand in Iraq is the test of our metal. George Orwell once said that “The fastest way to end a war is to lose it.” Is that what we want to do? Then, the tactic that they have played in Iraq will be played forever. We need to learn how to win the asymmetrical war because it can be played wherever it will hurt us the most.

Read Senator Lieberman’s editorial. Tell us where it is wrong.

27 posted on 07/06/2007 12:00:20 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: SoCalPol

This Iraq war that you love so much is going to turn Washington over to the Democrats. With the White House in their hands and massive majorities in Congress, they’ll fix things so the GOP never regains power. All because of a war that we didn’t need to fight, against a pipsqueak of foe that was no threat to the US. History will record that Bush and his disastrous war ended the Republican era that Reagan began.


28 posted on 07/06/2007 12:00:43 AM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: jonrick46
Read Senator Lieberman’s editorial.

Lieberman is a liberal Democrat. I don't take my cues from liberal Democrats.

29 posted on 07/06/2007 12:01:51 AM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: Roy Tucker
Since the war began, we’ve lost about 70 troops a month. This compares with 526 a month in Vietnam, more than 900 a month in Korea and 6,639 a month during World War II.

We were facing perhaps 400,000 troops in Vietnam, about the same number in Korea and millions of Axis troops were against us in WWII. The number of combatants against us in Iraq is estimated at around 20,000. The Iraq war is very costly considering the force we are up against.

30 posted on 07/06/2007 12:03:59 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: freedomdefender

In one paragraph, you’ve said it all.


31 posted on 07/06/2007 12:06:15 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: vbmoneyspender; ElkGroveDan
Well, the reason they shouldn't let politicians run wars is that unlike speeches, wars don't always have a clean cut beginning, middle and end!!!

Just because our military reports to and is controlled by civilian authority doesn't mean that's any old civilian! Not Cindy Sheehan or John Doolittle! I'm sorry I've ever supported John and now have to see him grovel and drown in puss like this thinking.

Damn that Abramoff. Delay has now been cleared of the charges against him, but Doolittle can't wait to see if his charges are cleared without striking out at Gonzales and the President with cowardly crappola like this... yuck!

It's like neither he nor the President understands that anyone even trying to be conservative or christian cannot re-align with Demileftists! That's looking for love in exactly the wrong places!!! It's never worked anytime it's been tried!!!

It wouldn't be so bad if it was just him that's hurting himself, but there are other local electeds that will be hurt when Doolittle shoots himself in the Republican circular firing squad! I have never seen a Party self-destruct so fast and so efficiently at all levels!

It's incredible... and the end of an era!!! But now both Harry Reid and John Doolittle have surrendered to the war on terror. Will that other Mormon running for President be the next to follow suit??? Isn't it about time for that other Mormon Senator whose name escapes me to say something equally as regretable and stupid??? (you know, the one that wanted to remove the constitutional requirement of birth in America for Arnold Schwartzenegger to run for President!!!)(see what I mean???)

32 posted on 07/06/2007 12:07:36 AM PDT by SierraWasp (SIERRA REPUBLIC!!! (our 51st united state)(all of CA excluding coastal counties))
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To: freedomdefender

My several relatives who have and still are fighting this war know why we are there.

I am for keeping Republicans in D.C. but that alone won’t win the war, fighting the enemy will.


33 posted on 07/06/2007 12:09:48 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: freedomdefender

Read the editorial. Don’t be so closed minded.


34 posted on 07/06/2007 12:10:55 AM PDT by jonrick46
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To: freedomdefender

What is with these people? Rep. Doolittle “today joined others in his party rapidly deserting the president on the Iraq war”?

I don’t see how an arbitrary timeline not established by the armed forces themselves will improve the situation.

Also, while I deeply regret that we are losing service men and women in Iraq, to talk about “tolerat[ing] these kinds of losses” he would make it seem like it was as bad as a sustained D-Day loss, or Iwo Jima over the last few years.

I really wish they would just let our military do the job they were meant to do and stop being so politically correct about it all. I wish the WORLD would wake up to the threat, instead of jumping on the ‘anti-America’ bandwagon (like Putin & Chavez).

This is truly a war against FREEDOM, that is being fought around the globe — it is not just Iraq! The latest Al-Qaeda tape proves that they are hurting for more support, and this defeatist attitude is NOT helping our military — nor is it helping the millions of civilians whose lives are torn asunder by the terrorists on a daily basis. We’re there, let’s get the job done and THEN come home.

I agree that the Iraqi Government should be doing more, but after so many years living under a dictator, it’s a wonder they’ve been able to move forward as far as they have, IMHO.

I’m no military expert, but as bad as the situation in Iraq is, I don’t think it qualifies as a quagmire.


35 posted on 07/06/2007 12:19:32 AM PDT by LibertyRocks (Liberty Rocks Blog: http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com)
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To: freedomdefender

and BTW, in your prior posts you think the Christians were better off under Sadam.
Talk to the over 30,000 Iraqis here in San Diego, most who are Chaldean (Christians) they will tell you what it was like over the many years, with his killing and torture


36 posted on 07/06/2007 12:21:18 AM PDT by SoCalPol (Duncan Hunter '08 Tough on WOT & Illegals)
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To: jonrick46
We need to learn how to win the asymmetrical war

We are fighting the enemy on their terms. Asymmetrical warfare is an advantage to the smaller force only so long as the superior force does not use the same tactics. If we gave the order to our military to destroy the enemy in 6 weeks, they would do it. This is commonly known as winning a war. We are not fighting a war in Iraq but are acting as a police force for civilians. This is not our job and is extremely costly. We are not even attempting to "win" the war in the conventional sense of "winning" a war.

37 posted on 07/06/2007 12:25:49 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Roy Tucker

It should be pointed out that the American people now have the resolve to fight through a grand total of about 2 weeks of World War II before waving the White Flag and surrendering. If they’ll get off of their couches and put down the potato chips long enough to get up and pick up the flag. Yeah, the absense of historical perspective in the general populace annoys me. Royally.


38 posted on 07/06/2007 12:25:51 AM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: freedomdefender
I can’t say which group is worse, the Dems who purposely lie to try and gain political advantage or the ‘Pubs who cravenly join along in an effort to cover their asses. In either case, any one who puts their political fortune above winning a war shouldn’t be in office.
39 posted on 07/06/2007 12:28:06 AM PDT by SCHROLL
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To: CheyennePress

Putting down the potato chips and picking up the flag.

Somewhere there is general looking for a plan. Where have you been?


40 posted on 07/06/2007 12:36:25 AM PDT by leadpenny
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