Immigration Bill Dead For Now -- Gun owners unheralded in media, but played a huge role...

Gun Owners of America ^ | June 29, 2007 | NA

[neverdem]

Happy Fourth of July!

[SergeiRachmaninov]

gun owners might have played an even bigger role if this thing had passed

[Asclepius]

Gun owners unheralded in media, but played a huge role in the defeat of bill

Did they shoot the bill? It was a mercy killing.

[tcostell]

Not that I'm sad to see it go, but can someone please identify the specific anti-gun language in the bill?

Personally I think there is a credibility problem here, and I'd like to get it straight.

[ConservativeMind]

What, specifically, did “gun owners” have against this bill?

Are we going to find that “gun owners” were also behind the hugely successful recipe for Nestle Toll House cookies?

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

From above....(maybe this )

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The Baucus amendment would have protected the jobs and gun rights of Americans who live in states that are blocking the enforcement of the REAL ID Act. Without the promise of a National ID in every state, the Baucus amendment effectively became the ultimate poison pill in this bill.

[c-b 1]

It’s in section 205 of the immigration reform bill.

[rellimpank]

-—as usual, GOA reminds me of an old (bad) joke about a mouse crawling up an elephant’s hind leg-—

[Weeedley]

A bullet was too good for that POS, gun owners and others put a sharp stake through its black heart.

[Beagle8U]

“but can someone please identify the specific anti-gun language in the bill?”

The GOA is against the Real ID act. They think it will lead to gun bans.

[Condor51]

****Personally I think there is a credibility problem here, and I'd like to get it straight.****

There was a thread on it about a month ago, the 1st time the Bill came up. It had all the dirty details. Check the BANGLIST.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Google search:

FAQ: How Real ID will affect you | CNET News.com

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What's all the fuss with the Real ID Act about?
President Bush is expected to sign an $82 billion military spending bill soon that will, in part, create electronically readable, federally approved ID cards for Americans. The House of Representatives overwhelmingly approved the package--which includes the Real ID Act--on Thursday.

What does that mean for me?
Starting three years from now, if you live or work in the United States, you'll need a federally approved ID card to travel on an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social Security payments, or take advantage of nearly any government service. Practically speaking, your driver's license likely will have to be reissued to meet federal standards.

The Real ID Act hands the Department of Homeland Security the power to set these standards and determine whether state drivers' licenses and other ID cards pass muster. Only ID cards approved by Homeland Security can be accepted "for any official purpose" by the feds.

How will I get one of these new ID cards?
You'll still get one through your state motor vehicle agency, and it will likely take the place of your drivers' license. But the identification process will be more rigorous.

For instance, you'll need to bring a "photo identity document," document your birth date and address, and show that your Social Security number is what you had claimed it to be. U.S. citizens will have to prove that status, and foreigners will have to show a valid visa.

State DMVs will have to verify that these identity documents are legitimate, digitize them and store them permanently. In addition, Social Security numbers must be verified with the Social Security Administration.

What's going to be stored on this ID card?
At a minimum: name, birth date, sex, ID number, a digital photograph, address, and a "common machine-readable technology" that Homeland Security will decide on. The card must also sport "physical security features designed to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes."

Homeland Security is permitted to add additional requirements--such as a fingerprint or retinal scan--on top of those. We won't know for a while what these additional requirements will be.

Why did these ID requirements get attached to an "emergency" military spending bill?
Because it's difficult for politicians to vote against money that will go to the troops in Iraq and tsunami relief. The funds cover ammunition, weapons, tracked combat vehicles, aircraft, troop housing, death benefits, and so on.

The House already approved a standalone version of the Real ID

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[OldArmy52]

Wow! I didn’t know there was anti-gun stuff in the Amnesty Bill. But then again, one can put a lot of stuff in a 1,000 page, unread, smokey back room La Raza and Kennedy bill.

Wouldn’t be surprised to later find there was language to require all non-Muslim women limit kids to 1.

[neverdem]

Personally I think there is a credibility problem here, and I'd like to get it straight.

Immigration Bill Update -- Montana Senator offering amendment that has benefit for gun owners

"* First, section 205 of the bill could, in the hands of an anti-gun administration, PUT EVERY MAJOR GUN SHOP OUT OF BUSINESS. (Please see our alert, dated May 23, for more information on this.)

"* Second, the immigration bill could deny many gun owners their right to find a job or buy a gun.

"In regard to the latter concern, Montana Senator Max Baucus (D) is sponsoring an amendment that will delete all references to "driver's licenses" and "identification cards" under the REAL ID Act.

"This is a good thing which will have ramifications for gun owners nationwide.

"Baucus is only a D rated Senator by GOA, but he clearly has more than gun rights on his mind -- he is directly representing the interests of his state.

"In April, the state of Montana enacted GOA-supported legislation that ordered state agencies to REFUSE to implement the REAL ID (a.k.a., National ID) card. Currently, there are about a dozen states that have joined Montana either in blocking the implementation of this law or in sharply criticizing it. Altogether, about three dozen states have introduced legislation to deal with this act in one way or another."

I'm at a loss for words. Patrick Henry's famous words seem more appropriate than ever. Happy Fourth of July!

[SWAMPSNIPER]

Somehow I sense that YOU have a problem with gun owners, I hope it is just my normal paranoia!

[Condor51]

I don't think the Real ID Act was the problem.

As I recall (it was about a month ago) Kennedy slipped explicit gun control crap into his "Immigration Bill".

There was a thread just on the Gun Control part. I'd search the BANGLIST, but have to scoot shortly. (guitar jamming time)

[Myrddin]

Idaho also refused to comply with the Real ID act.

[WOSG]

Er, not quite. This amendment was not a poison pill.
In fact what the conservatives did was trip up the SEQUENCE OF EVENTS which made it harder for the pro-amnesty side to get the momentum they needed. They wanted another amendment in the bill, to shows some ‘enforcement’ teeth, but by not tabling this bill, the process got ‘stuck’. So they need to go straight to cloture to get it unstuck. No go.

As such, it was NOT the killer but just an indicator that the bill was in trouble.

THE REAL STORY CAN BE LOOKED AT WHEN TO CONSIDER HOW THOSE WHO ARE UP FOR RE-ELECTION IN 2008 VOTED.
The 2008 class of Senators voted strongest against the bill.
The people spoke. The Senators were forced to listen. That simple.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

The 2008 class of Senators voted strongest against the bill.

Ah....excellent....

The Senate is becoming a den of Shysters....