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Don't Be So Sure There Were No WMD in Iraq
The American Thinker ^ | July 3, 2007 | Rachel Neuwirth

Posted on 07/03/2007 5:39:57 AM PDT by Quilla

 Introduction

The references cited in this article strongly suggest that:

1. WMD did indeed exist inside Iraq before the war.

2. The weapons inspectors were both fooled and bribed to ignore evidence.

3. Massive amounts of WMD were removed to known locations in Syria just prior to the war.

4. Massive numbers of Saddam's audio tapes and paper documents were collected and most remain unavailable and presumably un-translated.

5. U.S. officials refused to investigate a number of likely WMD sites.

6. The U.S. intelligence community, and other branches of this government, are stonewalling the issue.
Readers are urged to review the references and decide for themselves.

Before America went to war to topple Saddam Hussein's regime it was widely believed that he possessed weapons of mass destruction. Today it is widely believed that there were no WMD in Iraq before the war. People of both political parties, the major media, and the intellectual community all appear in strong agreement on that point. Some even charge that the Bush Administration deliberately, and knowingly, misled the nation with false information as a pretext to justify going to war.

The Bush Administration is quietly acknowledging that they made a mistake, albeit not intentional. That admission seems to be the final confirmation that there were no WMD in Iraq. In police work when the accused confesses to making a mistake, it is then assumed that the accusation is true and people consider it to be ‘case closed'.

This widespread belief of no WMD in Iraq is seriously damaging our ability to deal with a growing nuclear threat from Iran. There are those who opposed our toppling mass murderer Saddam Hussein both in 1991 and again in 2003, even after he defied multiple U.N. resolutions and was generally believed to have WMD. Now the ‘peace at any price' crowd is exploiting the widespread belief of ‘no WMD' to undermine our war in Iraq. If we fail in Iraq it greatly weakens our ability to deal with Iran, which will become greatly emboldened and infinitely more dangerous as it eventually goes nuclear.

Opponents of military action to stop Iran claim that the mistake over Iraq means that we cannot trust any claim by the Bush Administration regarding Iran's growing nuclear threat. That logic may be faulty but it will further turn opinion against dealing with Iran, especially with those who are now sour on our war in Iraq - and that is currently a majority of Americans. The opponents of military action persistently argue for more ‘negotiations' as the only way to avoid a nuclear Iran even while Iran is clearly stalling for sufficient time to acquire the bomb.

It is therefore essential that the widespread belief of ‘no WMD in Iraq' be double-checked for accuracy. But how can average citizens, and other non-experts, really know the truth? Unfortunately, too many people refuse to reconsider an issue once their minds are made up. Reconsideration is essential and there is a way to deal with this question, at least indirectly. That way is to list critical unanswered questions and then demand that the proponents of ‘no WMD in Iraq' come up with credible answers. Those who adamantly insist that there were no WMD have a duty to answer the following questions or else admit their assertions remain unproven and conceivably wrong.

Obvious Question

Bill Clinton, John Kerry, and other Democrats, all saw the same intelligence back when Clinton was President and George Tenet headed the CIA. They all claimed Iraq had WMD which threatened America. If there really were no WMD, why are they not held equally accountable for misleading the American people? Shouldn't they be required to reveal the basis for their assertions? George Bush retained Clinton's CIA chief who reportedly assured Bush that it was a "slam dunk" that Saddam Hussein had WMD. Other intelligence services including those of NATO and Israel also believed there were WMD. Why don't the critics attempt to discover the evidence for those conclusions?

What was Saddam Hussein hiding with his elaborate schemes to frustrate the U.N. arms inspectors? Why would Saddam needlessly provoke the U.N. and the U.S. into going to war against him if he had nothing to hide? Why haven't the critics answered this question?

Shortly before the war, it was reported that U.S. satellites spotted truck convoys moving from Iraq to Syria at night. One possible explanation is that Saddam had WMD and removed them before the war. Various reports claim that the Russians helped move convoys and planeloads of materials from Iraq into Syria to at least three heavily guarded locations, identified, at least two years ago, by Debka.com and other news sources.

Inexplicably, there has been no effort to discover what was moved. If WMD were indeed removed in this manner, shouldn't we know it? If it turns out that WMD were removed then the war in Iraq becomes justified and the focus should then shift to Syria. If Saddam Hussein was not allowed to have WMD, why then is Syria, Iran's new ally, allowed to have possible WMD with no inspection? Is there unfinished business relative to Saddam's WMD? Is Syria now able to threaten Israel and U.S. forces in the region with chemical and biological weapons?

Where is Saddam's bio weapons expert known as Doctor Germ? What was her work? Saddam's chemical weapons expert known as "Chemical Ali" was recently sentenced to death. What was he doing prior to the war in 2003? Two of Saddam's sons-in law defected and testified about Saddam's WMD. They were spirited back by Saddam and then promptly killed. What did they reveal to U.S. authorities?

Libya's Colonel Khaddaffi gave up his WMD to the U.S. What weapons did the U.S. recover and ship back to America and who was working on these programs? Did Saddam Hussein sponsor the Libyan WMD program?

Early Reports

Seven months after the war began, an extensive report was published presenting a wealth of information on Iraqi WMD and containing 76 open source citations. It described how and what was hidden and how much of it was moved to Syria and Lebanon. It is ‘a must read'. The following paragraph is excerpted from that report.

"Now, it would be common to ask for the reason the Bush Administration has not revealed that WMDs are in Syria and/or Lebanon. According to Israeli intelligence sources, it is likely because exposure of that would lead to a domino effect where evidence would leak out that Iraq's programs had roles played by Egypt, Syria, Libya and Saudi Arabia. [plus the French, Germans and Russians] Such leaks will enflame the region and especially Iraq, and make things much harder, resulting in a more bloody and costly war and diminishing likelihood that other countries would send forces in.[71] Additionally, people would be skeptic, saying it was a lie so that the war-mongering neo-cons were trying to justify a new conquest. The other side would put enormous pressure to bring the war to Syria-a war we are not yet ready to fight."
Iraqi General Georges Sada

In another intelligence revelation, ex Iraqi General Georges Sada recently published his book, Saddam's Secrets: How an Iraqi General Defied & Survived Saddam Hussein. In it he explains how, just prior to the war, Saddam moved his WMD to Syria, with Russian help. Go to www.amazon.com and search for author Georges Sada. Click on picture of book, "Saddam's Secrets". Scroll down to read reviews.

Reviews from Publishers Weekly:

Reviewer 1: In General Sada's unique position, he was able to observe some of the worst of Saddam's behavior and trickery and confirms in this book not only the existence of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), but also the extraordinary lengths that Saddam went to hide these weapons....

Reviewer 2: The author tells how Saddam managed to trick the world into believing he did not have weapons of mass destruction. He goes into detail how Saddam managed to hide all evidence of WMD's and how he managed to move all of them out of Iraq under the noses of the United Nations weapons inspectors. ....

Reviewer 3: Of particular note are tapes of more than 3,000 hours of Saddam Hussein meeting with his war cabinet and millions of pages of documents that contain vital information about Saddam's WMD program and plans for transporting the WMDs out of the country in order to dupe the weapons inspectors.... American and world citizens must demand that these tapes and documents be immediately released, translated, and analyzed in their entirety.
Intelligence Summit Meeting

Hundreds of security experts of diverse backgrounds convened on February 17, 2006 to evaluate Iraqi WMD. The organizers announced that translations of 12 hours of tapes of Saddam Hussein's cabinet meetings would be revealed at the meeting. In it Saddam would be heard talking about Iraq's WMD, its nuclear programs and how he fooled UN inspectors. Ten days before the meeting attendees received messages from inside the administration pressuring them not to attend. "However, these new tapes would have forced the intelligence community to admit that they misled President George W. Bush to state that Iraq had no WMD. Such admission, apparently, was something the intelligence community wanted to avoid by attempting to discredit this conference."

Captured Tapes and Documents

"Who'll Let the Docs Out? Bush wants to release the Saddam files but his [national] intelligence chief [John Negroponte] stalls. By Stephen F. Hayes" 03/20/2006, Volume 011, Issue 25 of the WeeklyStandard.com

Excerpts:

"On February 16, President George W. Bush assembled a small group of congressional Republicans for a briefing on Iraq." Representative Mike Pence said to President Bush, "There are 3,000 hours of Saddam tapes and millions of pages of other documents that we captured after the war. When will the American public get to see this information?"

"Bush replied that he wanted the documents released. He turned to [National Security Advisor Stephen] Hadley and asked for an update. Hadley explained that John Negroponte, Bush's Director of National Intelligence, "owns the documents" and that DNI lawyers were deciding how they might be handled.
.......
"Bush told Hadley to expedite the release of the Iraq documents. "This stuff ought to be out. Put this stuff out." The president would reiterate this point before the meeting adjourned. .....
......

"Negroponte never got the message. Or he is choosing to ignore it. He has done nothing to expedite the exploitation of the documents. And he continues to block the growing congressional effort, led by [Rep. Pete] Hoekstra, [the Michigan Republican who chairs the House Intelligence Committee] to have the documents released.
‘I found Saddam's WMD bunkers'

Posted By Melanie Phillips On April 19, 2007 @ 9:26 am In Daily Mail |

A devastating expose of criminal incompetence and cover-up by the U.S. government. The first two paragraphs follow.

"It's a fair bet that you have never heard of a guy called Dave Gaubatz. It's also a fair bet that you think the hunt for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq has found absolutely nothing, nada, zilch; and that therefore there never were any WMD programmers in Saddam's Iraq to justify the war ostensibly waged to protect the world from Saddam's use of nuclear, biological or chemical weapons."

"Dave Gaubatz, however, says you could not be more wrong. Saddam's WMD did exist. He should know because he found the sites where he is certain they were stored. And the reason you don't know about this is that the American administration failed to act on his information, ‘lost' his classified reports and is now doing everything it can to prevent disclosure of the terrible fact that, through its own incompetence, it allowed Saddam's WMD to end up in the hands of the very terrorist states against whom it is so controversially at war."
Media Spin

Another problem with objectively appraising the danger of WMD is exemplified in a recent article  that originally appeared in the Los Angeles Times. The headline reads: "Scientist profits on fears of WMD. - Germ-weapons expert wins grants, federal contracts through his warnings of mass-casualty biological attack." Notice how the reader is immediately primed to be suspicious by the use of emotionally charged words such as "...profits on fears..."

The first paragraph reads,
"After helping to lead the Soviet Union's germ-weapons program, Ken Alibek defected to the United States and began warning about the threat of a mass-casualty biological attack. Alibek also has sought to profit from the fear of such weapons of mass destruction, landing federal contracts or grants totaling about $28 million."
The first sentence above acknowledges that Ken Alibeck had good reason to know about the Soviet Union's germ-weapons program and hence he has credibility. But then, as if to immediately undermine his credibility, there follows the insinuation that, ..." Alibek also has sought to profit from the fear ..." This implies a selfish, if not a sinister, motivation. And in support of this insinuation we are told that his company received government contracts or grants, as if that alone was evidence of wrongdoing.

If the LA Times has any proof of wrongdoing by Alibeck let them produce the evidence. Instead, this news implies an accusation without actually making a charge that could expose them to be prosecuted for libel. Honest reporting would require a clear separation between presenting hard facts and offering editorial opinion. Their blatant failure to observe journalistic ethics raises the question of an agenda on the part of the LA Times.

Too may people are imposing their biases and opinions on the WMD issue which makes it much harder to get the full truth and to defend against a future attack.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: insurgents; iraq; saddam; syria; terrorism; terrorists; wmd; wot
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To: sarasota

Yes, the media seems to have forgotten completely. The Democrats all say they never would have gone to war. The lefties all say we invented the war for oil.


61 posted on 07/03/2007 7:36:32 AM PDT by Sender (Success in warfare is gained by carefully accommodating ourselves to the enemy's purpose.)
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To: mkjessup
So in other words Bill, you’re saying that all the intelligence agencies (U.S., NATO, French, etc.) were WRONG, and the MoveOn.Org, Code Pink, ANSWER-freaks, anti-American leftists the world over plus the UK’s George Galloway (not to mention Saddam himself) were RIGHT?

No what I'm saying is that intelligence can be wrong. No one is perfect. Unless you know where the WMDs are (well other than the Syrian desert....). A fact has no bias. How groups with an agenda, right or wrong, decide to use that information is up to them.

62 posted on 07/03/2007 7:36:50 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Quilla

Last year General Sada spoke at our church. He described how Saddam had shipped the WMD to Syria by using airplanes that were full of “humanitarian aid” for Syria after they had a massive earthquake. Of course, there was no “aid”, just WMD.

He had no intention of writing a book until the foiled attack on Jordan. Do you remember that there were tons of Sarin gas that they were planning on releasing? General Sada realized that they (whoever it was who was going to attack Jordan) had found the Iraqi WMD in the Syrian desert and were using those. The general figured he had better expose all of this for the safety of the world. By the way, he had previously told the US government about it, but they seemed to do nothing with the info.


63 posted on 07/03/2007 7:40:51 AM PDT by Grammy ("Ms Pelosi is a very difficult person to embarrass." Fred Thompson, 4/11/07)
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To: Clam Digger

When it comes to demonrats, especially the moonbat variety...

They will weave together intricate webs and point to flimsy evidence when it comes to ANY conspiracy theory that involves the Bush administration and Republicans.

But...

When it comes to the possibility that Iraqi WMDs existed and were moved, they ignore ALL evidence, put up an obstinate wall, and proclaim “there never were any!”


64 posted on 07/03/2007 7:41:36 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: Quilla
Okay, so maybe this is why we haven't been given a grand tour:

So far, Marine nuclear and intelligence experts have discovered 14 buildings that betray high levels of radiation. Some of the readings show nuclear residue too deadly for human occupation.
65 posted on 07/03/2007 7:43:03 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
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To: billbears
So let me get this straight: Saddam gassed 160,000 Kurds, but there are no WMD anymore? You believe the press, and Sean Penn on this one?

"Don't know your past, don't know your future" -Ziggy Marley

66 posted on 07/03/2007 7:59:19 AM PDT by mallardx
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To: Quilla

I’m so sick of the BS over this. We let Saddam Hussein know months ahead of time we were coming, for weeks we observed transport of materials out of Iraq. Duh.


67 posted on 07/03/2007 8:18:12 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Quilla

bump


68 posted on 07/03/2007 8:20:13 AM PDT by Christian4Bush ("Polls are for strippers and liberals." Caller to Rush, 6/5/2007)
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To: billbears
No what I'm saying is that intelligence can be wrong. No one is perfect. Unless you know where the WMDs are (well other than the Syrian desert....).

You have yet to actually provide well-thought-out reasoning why the WMD's are not in Syria other than calling "WMD believers" on par with UFO believers. Despite what you write, WMD's were found in Iraq, not in the quantities that were toted as proof of a looming threat, but just because they are not currently in Iraq does not mean that they never existed.

In order for you to believe what your arguments state, you must believe that Saddam stopped manufacturing WMD's during the UN visits from 1992 to 1997 and never resumed, but used his deception to scare his neighbors and mislead the world. If this was the case, why then did Clinton bomb some supposed WMD factories in 1998? And if you do not believe that Saddam stopped his WMD manufacturing, do you then believe that Clinton successfully blew up the remaining stockpiles in 1998?
69 posted on 07/03/2007 8:25:06 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
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To: Quilla

Desperation bump


70 posted on 07/03/2007 8:27:20 AM PDT by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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To: billbears

Then either
a) you have not talked to the correct people
b) the people you talked to are more discreet than I
c) the people you talked to don’t have access
d) the people you talked to are under orders not to address such a situation
e) they did not disclose information for the same reason I cannot (as you put) “publish my account” because they (as I)am not a legal spokesman for the United States services.
or

f) they have not been directly present when any such evidence was presented.


And as for your comments about LA-

Yeah it’s there, can you tell me what the people in Little China sell in the way of movies that arent available to the US mainstream?

I can tell you what the people on the outskirts of my base sell... because I’m HERE.


71 posted on 07/03/2007 8:58:44 AM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: Kerretarded

I believe that less than 5% of the documents have been released.


72 posted on 07/03/2007 9:22:10 AM PDT by jveritas (Support the Commander in Chief in Times of War.)
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To: bolobaby

Your comment is contrary to my post. They ALL believed, at one time, there were WMD in Iraq, but have since changed their story. I posted the quotes to point out their sickening hypocrisy.


73 posted on 07/03/2007 9:36:09 AM PDT by Clam Digger
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To: Clam Digger

I agree with that - and I didn’t miss the quotes.

I guess I was taking your quotes as further evidence that WMD existed and being ignored by the moonbats.


74 posted on 07/03/2007 9:53:50 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: bolobaby

Works for me!


75 posted on 07/03/2007 9:56:48 AM PDT by Clam Digger (Have a safe & happy 4th!)
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To: MacDorcha
Then either a) you have not talked to the correct people

And of course only you would know the 'correct people'. Gotcha General..

b) the people you talked to are more discreet than I

As I don't know who the hell you are that's an easy out. I name a rank, position, etc (which I wouldn't do) you come back with 'I'm higher than x'

c) the people you talked to don’t have access

Course not. Compared to General MacDorcha? How could they? You know all, o great seer....

d) the people you talked to are under orders not to address such a situation

As the Republic continues its downward spiral (as historically all major nation states and empires do over time), 'orders' become less important as respect for authority decreases. 70 years ago perhaps 99% of the military wouldn't have spoken because they still believed. Today, that number is probably more like 60-65%. And these soldiers could really care less as they're out. They went over there rather gung-ho but came back quite disappointed. Guess they didn't get their ration of flowers and chocolates from the children....

e) they did not disclose information for the same reason I cannot (as you put) “publish my account” because they (as I)am not a legal spokesman for the United States services.

Well gee General Mac, you sure sound like one!! But wait a minute. The report is based on what Dave Gaubatz stated he saw as a military soldier. So if he's not a legal spokesman either, we should dismiss what he says as well. Except it supports your belief so it should automatically be counted. That about the gist of it? One position automatically accepted because it's the government position, but the other automatically discounted because it's not the government's position

Well then again who knows what the government's position is. We've gone onto Wilsonian adventurism as the excuse. Or didn't you see all those purple fingers while you were there? Haven't even heard Fox News mention WMDs of late.

f) they have not been directly present when any such evidence was presented.

Oh okay. A select few were directly present then. Along with Major MacDorcha. I mean really. Who'd a thunk someone so 'in the know' about WMDs that they can't talk about has the time to post cryptic messages on the internet that they 'know' something the rest of the free world has for the most part dismissed

Tell you what. Get back to me when this 'information' is released on a somewhat reputable news source. I'll take Fox, although that's mostly an opinion station but I would prefer a more reputable old world source

76 posted on 07/03/2007 9:58:03 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: MacDorcha
I can tell you what the people on the outskirts of my base sell... because I’m HERE.

Can you get me an OIF patch?
77 posted on 07/03/2007 10:06:14 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (The United States of America is the only country strong enough to go it alone.)
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To: GadareneDemoniac
And don’t give me this garbage about how the Iraqis and Syrians or whomever “don’t like each other”, so they wouldn’t send any weapons there.

Heck, Iran was Iraq's biggest enemy for over a decade, hundreds of thousands of casualties, and Saddaam sent his entire air force to Iran rather than allow it to fall into Allied hands.

Doesn’t anybody realize that the expression “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” originated in the middle east?

The thinking that natural enemies never collude is fatal, and will eventually be our downfall if we ever elect a Dem CiC. We're already hearing that Iran and al Quida could never work together because one's Shiite and the other is Sunni.

78 posted on 07/03/2007 10:07:47 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Did Dennis Kucinich always look like that or did he have to submit to a series of shots? [firehat])
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To: billbears

Just because you don’t know someone who can confirm your feelings doesn’t mean there isn’t someone who knows.

And if you can top Flag ranks, then you can top not only my sources, but my security clearance. There’s your “easy out” chief.

If you care to ASK, I’m sure you could find out what my rank is. But of course, you have that taste in your mouth of a conspiracy, and you are addicted.

Fire doesn’t melt steel in your world. And the Moon has never been landed on. And the Soviets were the first to fly.

And as for being “in the know” and “posting cryptic messages”-

Go talk to “your people.” Ask them If this would be the correct forum for anyone (even if I WAS an official spokeman of the Army, which I most certainly am not) to make an official announcement one way or the other in regards to the situation.

This soldier’s unofficial response to your theory is that you do NOT have the slighest idea of what is going on out here. Period.

Until the government permits such information to be spread as such, you will continue to hear only bits and pieces. And in your case, you won’t even hear that.


79 posted on 07/03/2007 10:29:15 AM PDT by MacDorcha (study links agenda-driven morons and junk science...)
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To: Quilla
Using some people's logic, the fact that they can't find Jimmy Hoffa is proof that he never existed.
80 posted on 07/03/2007 10:30:45 AM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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