Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 1 July 2007

Various big media television networks ^ | 1 July 2007 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

[STARWISE]

You’ll be heartened to hear how distressed and arrogant the president of Mexico is over the bill failure, the poor baby:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20070629-0904-mexico-us-immigration.html

“On Thursday, Calderón called the Senate’s decision a “grave error” and a failure to find a “sensible, rational, legal solution to the migration problem.”

“By not facing it, the U.S. Senate is simply making it worse,” he said, adding that the vote would cut off legal immigration, permit continued unlawful immigration and human rights violations and decrease security on both sides of the border.

“We all know that the U.S. economy could not prosper or advance without the labor of both Mexican and Central American migrants,” he said.

[rodguy911]

Just a boiling Calderon. Now he will have to deal with what is really a Mexicon problem that the billionaires have instructed ol felippe to deal with. His solution, let's give them phamplets on how to cross the border.Wow who'd a guessed it.

[shield]

Geezzz...I forgot to post the first paragraph of that article.

THOMPSON BUMMER
Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
Sunday, 13 May 2007

Say goodnight, Fred. Last night, Saturday (5/12), in a huge ballroom at a hotel in Washington I can't name at a meeting of a group I can't mention, Fred Thompson was the dinner speaker to 500 of conservatism's crème de la crème.

[MNJohnnie]

You can do that by enforcing the existing laws on the books, including securing the border under existing legislatioN

That a nice simplistic Talk Radio slogan. Easy to shout, easy to remember and, best of all, it allows the Do Nothing reactionaries on the Right to kid themselves that they are not require to actually required to get off the butts and DO anything.

Factually it nonsense. Think about it. The current system has resulted in 12-20 million illegals. So the solution is to scream "enforce the law" and that will magically fix the problem? How are you going to enforce laws the Illegals, business, and activist groups like La Raza, are all ready ignoring?

[snugs]

Indeed and I would also comment that we should have looked more closely at what was going on inside some of the Catholic Churches and who they were harbouring at the height of the IRA troubles.

In a way that because we did not come down hard on them (which I can understand why but not agree with) we are on thin ground to do so with the Mosques.

As you say when a church or a Mosque is operating or has things going on inside which are not only against the law but are assisting terrorism they cease to be a place of worship and refuge.

[maica]

I get that the campaign, which has started way too early, is going to be very interesting, as the candidates get more nation-wide exposure. My first choice would be Duncan Hunter for his perspective, and Mitt Romney for his executive experience. Is there any way to combine the two into one?

Today’s FR poll shows Freepers favor Thompson over Hunter by a significant margin. He is definitely a true conservative. I just don’t think he is of presidential quality.

[MNJohnnie]

Yeah, I keep hearing all this about “Locals taking action.” However when you read the actual story, they have only passed 55 out of 557 bills offered. Not a very stellar batting average.

[MNJohnnie]

The bill was passed 8 months ago. For the Fed govt that is warp speed that ANYTHING has been built.

[CDB]

Let's implement the Secure Fence Act of 2006 , which was passed by the senate 80-19 and included yes votes by Hillary, Obama, Biden, Dodd, Boxer, Schumer, McCain, Brownback, Martinez, and Specter.

1) Did anyone ask Chertoff about this PUBLIC LAW (text below) on the Sunday Shows, this morning? (I'm with dirtboy and Rodguy on this--I don't like to watch most of these shows, because replacing broken TVs is expensive;

2) Does anyone know what the status is of the Section 5 (b) report?

Text of law (from US GPO website

[DOCID: f:publ367.109]

[[Page 2637]]

SECURE FENCE ACT OF 2006

[[Page 120 STAT. 2638]]

Public Law 109-367

109th Congress

An Act

. To establish operational control over the international land and maritime borders of the United States. <>

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress <> assembled, SECTION 1. <> SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the ``Secure Fence Act of 2006''. SEC. 2. <> ACHIEVING OPERATIONAL CONTROL ON THE BORDER.

(a) <> In General.--Not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall take all actions the Secretary determines necessary and appropriate to achieve and maintain operational control over the entire international land and maritime borders of the United States, to include the following--

(1) systematic surveillance of the international land and maritime borders of the United States through more effective use of personnel and technology, such as unmanned aerial vehicles, ground-based sensors, satellites, radar coverage, and cameras; and

(2) physical infrastructure enhancements to prevent unlawful entry by aliens into the United States and facilitate access to the international land and maritime borders by United States Customs and Border Protection, such as additional checkpoints, all weather access roads, and vehicle barriers.

(b) Operational Control Defined.--In this section, the term ``operational control'' means the prevention of all unlawful entries into the United States, including entries by terrorists, other unlawful aliens, instruments of terrorism, narcotics, and other contraband.

(c) Report.--Not later than one year after the date of the enactment of this Act and annually thereafter, the Secretary shall submit to Congress a report on the progress made toward achieving and maintaining operational control over the entire international land and maritime borders of the United States in accordance with this section.

SEC. 3. CONSTRUCTION OF FENCING AND SECURITY IMPROVEMENTS IN BORDER AREA FROM PACIFIC OCEAN TO GULF OF MEXICO.

Section 102(b) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (Public Law 104-208; 8 U.S.C. 1103 note) is amended--

[[Page 120 STAT. 2639]]

(1) in the subsection heading by striking ``Near San Diego, California''; and

(2) by amending paragraph (1) to read as follows:

``(1) Security features.-- ``(A) Reinforced fencing.--In carrying out subsection (a), the Secretary of Homeland Security shall provide for least 2 layers of reinforced fencing, the installation of additional physical barriers, roads, lighting, cameras, and sensors-- ``(i) extending from 10 miles west of the Tecate, California, port of entry to 10 miles east of the Tecate, California, port of entry; ``(ii) extending from 10 miles west of the Calexico, California, port of entry to 5 miles east of the Douglas, Arizona, port of entry; ``(iii) extending from 5 miles west of the Columbus, New Mexico, port of entry to 10 miles east of El Paso, Texas; ``(iv) extending from 5 miles northwest of the Del Rio, Texas, port of entry to 5 miles southeast of the Eagle Pass, Texas, port of entry; and ``(v) extending 15 miles northwest of the Laredo, Texas, port of entry to the Brownsville, Texas, port of entry. ``(B) Priority areas.-- With <> respect to the border described-- ``(i) in subparagraph (A)(ii), the Secretary shall ensure that an interlocking surveillance camera system is installed along such area by May 30, 2007, and that fence construction is completed by May 30, 2008; and ``(ii) in subparagraph (A)(v), the Secretary shall ensure that fence construction from 15 miles northwest of the Laredo, Texas, port of entry to 15 southeast of the Laredo, Texas, port of entry is completed by December 31, 2008. ``(C) Exception.--If the topography of a specific area has an elevation grade that exceeds 10 percent, the Secretary may use other means to secure such area, including the use of surveillance and barrier tools.''.

SEC. 4. NORTHERN BORDER STUDY.

(a) In General.--The Secretary of Homeland Security shall conduct a study on the feasibility of a state of-the-art infrastructure security system along the northern international land and maritime border of the United States and shall include in the study--

(1) the necessity of implementing such a system;

(2) the feasibility of implementing such a system; and

(3) the economic impact implementing such a system will have along the northern border.

(b) Report.--Not later than one year after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall submit to the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate a report that contains the results of the study conducted under subsection (a).

[[Page 120 STAT. 2640]]

SEC. 5. EVALUATION AND REPORT RELATING TO CUSTOMS AUTHORITY TO STOP CERTAIN FLEEING VEHICLES.

(a) Evaluation.--Not later than 30 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall--

(1) evaluate the authority of personnel of United States Customs and Border Protection to stop vehicles that enter the United States illegally and refuse to stop when ordered to do so by such personnel, compare such Customs authority with the authority of the Coast Guard to stop vessels under section 637 of title 14, United States Code, and make an assessment as to whether such Customs authority should be expanded;

(2) review the equipment and technology available to United States Customs and Border Protection personnel to stop vehicles described in paragraph (1) and make an assessment as to whether or not better equipment or technology is available or should be developed; and

(3) evaluate the training provided to United States Customs and Border Protection personnel to stop vehicles described in paragraph (1).

(b) Report.--Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall submit to the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate a report that contains the results of the evaluation conducted under subsection (a).

Approved October 26, 2006.

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY--H.R. 6061:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, Vol. 152 (2006):

Sept. 14, considered and passed House.

Sept. 21, 25, 26, 28, 29, considered and passed Senate.

WEEKLY COMPILATION OF PRESIDENTIAL DOCUMENTS, Vol. 42 (2006):

Oct. 26, Presidential remarks.

[Mamzelle]

re: How are you going to enforce laws the Illegals, business, and activist groups like La Raza, are all ready ignoring?)))

apparently they have SOME fear of the law, or they wouldn't have gone for broke in getting this bill passed.

OK is passing laws, as are GA and AZ. All of those laws threaten the cozy sleep of crooked employers. It's a start.

And there's such a thing as momentum. What happened last week threw a scare into the elites--they know that the public is angry. The RNC is looking at a bare donor cupboard. I doubt they'll pull a "Hayworth" again.

[kabar]

That a nice simplistic Talk Radio slogan. Easy to shout, easy to remember and, best of all, it allows the Do Nothing reactionaries on the Right to kid themselves that they are not require to actually required to get off the butts and DO anything.

There you go again spewing your personal invective, short on facts and long on emotion. Us "do-nothings" spent many hours defeating this diastrous bill and we will now go on the offensive demanding that our laws be enforced and the legislation that overwhelngly passed Congress and signed by the President be carried out according to the deadlines therein. And why isn't the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986". "8 USC 1101 note" being enforced?

Factually it nonsense. Think about it. The current system has resulted in 12-20 million illegals.

I have. The current system has not worked because the laws have not been enforced and our border has not been secured. Giving another 1986-type amnesty will not solve the problem, just exacerbate the problem. Rewarding illegality sends the wrong message. Put the blame where it belongs, i.e., on the people charged with enforcing the laws of the land.

So the solution is to scream "enforce the law" and that will magically fix the problem?

That would be a novel approach. Imagine, enforcing the laws. It will not be a magical fix, but it will be a start.

How are you going to enforce laws the Illegals, business, and activist groups like La Raza, are all ready ignoring?

Using the law enforcement apparatus at all levels of government, federal, state, and local. Many states and communities are taking matters into their own hands. Oklahoma and Georgia have enacted sweeping legislation to reduce the costs imposed by illegal aliens. AZ is on the verge of doing the same thing. Communities like Hazelton, Manassas, Herndon, Farmer's Market, TX are fighting back.

And what is your solution?

[MNJohnnie]

Odd, I keep hearing from the Right how everyone agrees with them.

http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm

Cannot see it in the polling data. Amazing how the Right simply wants to declare victory because they simply stopped the other side and go back to sleep.

Guess it is far too tough for the poor little darlin’s to actually get something done. They would actually have to get involved and fight the Left rather then just pat themselves on the back about how wonderful they all are while screaming bile at their own political allies.

CNN Poll of June 22-24 2007 1,029 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

“As you may know, the U.S. Senate has been considering a bill to change the way the government handles the issue of illegal immigration. Based on what you have read or heard about all the proposals in the Senate immigration bill, do you favor or oppose that bill?” If oppose: “Do you oppose the Senate immigration bill MOSTLY because you think it goes too far toward helping illegal immigrants, or MOSTLY because it does not go far enough toward helping illegal immigrants?”

Favor/Goes Too Far/Doesn’t Go Far / Other / Unsure
30 28 15 4 22

[kabar]

I don’t. It would be interesting to learn if DHS has filed the required reports to Congress. They have missed the May 30 deadline on construction of the “virtual” fence.

[MNJohnnie]

The Fence bill was signed into law 9 months ago this coming Friday.

[MNJohnnie]

There are over 600,000 absconders who have gone through the entire legal process and ordered deported, but ICE doesn’t know where they are.

So obviously if you are Anti Illegals, the solution is to simply keep screaming "enforce the law". I mean, that is just sure to scare the illegal into obeying the law and leaving!

[MNJohnnie]

You have to read the parsing and nuancing in those statements."

Or in plain terms, Ignore anything that is said that you don't want to hear and simply believe what you choose to believe.

[kabar]

First we don't govern by polls, especially from CNN. If that were the case, we should be pulling out of Iraq now.

Here are some other polls that give a decidedly different result

Rasmussen Polling

[rodguy911]

Exactly.

[kabar]

So obviously if you are Anti Illegals, the solution is to simply keep screaming "enforce the law". I mean, that is just sure to scare the illegal into obeying the law and leaving!

LOL. Your logic leaves something to be desired. Once the legal proceedings are over, you don't send the individual who has been order repatriated [deported] out on his/her own recognizance and expect them to comply with the judgment. Under USG escort, they should be placed on transportation removing them from the country. Pretty simple. Then you don't have over 600,000 absconders running around the country.

[rodguy911]

There are several I could live with. I just hope we are not destroying any that could win. After all one is going to be nominated.