Posted on 06/29/2007 5:43:48 PM PDT by gpapa
If anyone wants to know why Muslims the world over tell pollsters the United States is at war with Islam, just read President Bush's speech at the Islamic Center of Washington, especially the part about American-style religious freedom -- in the president's words, "what we wish for the world."
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As one who has attended a bar mitzvah at that synagogue down the road, I have news for the president: Freedom, American-style, has changed. To enter, I passed an armed guard holding an automatic weapon manning the door.
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Let the facts speak for themselves .
Obviously you're living in a kumbaya Rodney King dream world of non-reality and know nothing about Islamic History or Islamic doctrine just like your hero Imam Bush. Best your head explode now reading this thread, save the Muslims the trouble of detaching it for you later.
bttt
All these things won't mean a thing when Islamic cells start detonating their bombs over here, Bush keeps 'conciliatorily' inviting more and more Muslims over here, more and more mosques (future bases of operation) are being built and coupled with him leaving the borders wide open intended just for his Mexican friends, who knows when all hell's gonna start breaking loose, we've been considerably lucky so far, but deep down we all keep holding our collective breath, waiting, waiting, knowing it's just a matter of time.
Comparing Freepers to KOS, DU-like liberals is truly simplistic and is an old tired tactic I see used by the steadily shrinking number of Bush defenders, a number that Bush is no doubt helping to shrink, what am I supposed to do say "OMG he's comparing me to a DU liberal I better stop" lol, C'mon you can do better than that, hey maybe if Bush didn't attack and impugn the motives of conservatives in a KOS/DU like manner the level of vitriol directed at him and some in his administration now wouldn't be so widespread on this forum, hmmm, Imam Bush, now that does have a nice ring to it, ooh silly 'childish' me.
hmmm, Imam Bush..."
Yep, that about sums it up. Bye.
Now we all know how persuasive Bush is when he makes speeches, cough,cough!
Just imagine being a Muslim in that audience as they all embrace their 'Qurans', okay now there's Bush talking and #post 132, okay again we've got Bush talking and post# 132, okay one more time for the slow learners, you got Bush talking against the likes of post #132 and with that I must be off to the shooting range for more 'preparedness, er I mean practice, sorry.
Oh, don’t be so childish! LOL!
He's had the deer in the headlights look for a while now ... he's been living in his own little world for so long he seems postiively bewildered by reality, stubbornly so.
I agree.....too strange.
sorry it’s not so cut and dry that Bush is the fierce warrier and carter and clinton were teh appeasers.
i originally thought Bush had it in him to finally fight the jihad as it needs to be fought... but the years have proven
1 - He is a very poor wartime leader.. how in the world does this man not respond directly to the people to the critics on every news show every night that has resulted in the approval rating of the war being in the basement ... domestic political support is the most critical aspect of being able to conduct the war.. this is a fundamental FAILURE.
2 - We have not bombed Iran yet. There is no excuse for this
3 - Marines are being Court Martialed left and right
4 - The ROE are almost to the point of treason
5 - The border with Mexcio is wide open
Sorry,, i dont care how horrible Carter was... Bush is barely better.. he engaged our military in a war that he has no interest or capacity to defend to the people and does not let the people there fight to win,.. instead they get sent to prison.
Sorry... that’s failed leadership.. i dont care what letter is after his name.
“differently than I did. I used to think Bush had to pretend the Saudis were our friends because a total cut off of oil would be a disaster for us. I used to think he praised moderate Islam because we needed the port and land based access that got us. I used to think that Bush was saying, “Nice Doggie,” while looking for a big rock to hit the dog with. I’m not so sure anymore.”
I thought the exact same thing... i almost had “evil genius” opinion of Bush..
but then in the 2004 campaign he let every Democrat tell lies Iraq, and then C. Rice became SoS and became infected with Foggy Bottom Arab Affection Afflication.
Then he allowed that God Awful Iraq Study Group thing get legitmized (even if he didn’t go along with the conclusions)
and on and on..
He’s weak... very weak. He got us into the heart of darkness in the Middle East and then turned weak.
We cant leave Iraq because that’s giving the Jihadists a victory (which must be avoid at all costs), so now we’re stuck in Iraq with weak leadership and a traitorious opposition.
The future bodes nothing good.
Actually, both the Macedonians and the Turks had significant material and technological advantages over their adversaries.
Also, I’ll bet you five dollars that we don’t get blown up by 2012, lol.
Good luck sorting out the Muslims who are good and evil... especially since Islam tells Muslims it’s ok to lie to the non-believers, in order to deceive them.
i guess you’re smart enough to know who is lying to you and appearing to be your friend, who is not.
Taqiyya and kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic terrorism
http://www.americancongressfortruth.com/ArchDetails.aspx?id=97
Tradecraft. Persona. Deception. Disinformation. Cover: Western operational terms and techniques. But, Islamic terrorists have their own terms: taqiyya (pronounced tark-e-ya) : precautionary dissimulation or deception and keeping one’s convictions secret and a synonymous term, kitman: mental reservation and dissimulation or concealment of malevolent intentions...
Taqiyya and kitman or ‘holy hypocrisy’ has been diffused throughout Arabic culture for over fourteen hundred years since it was developed by Shiites as a means of defence and concealment of beliefs against Sunni unbelievers. As the Prophet said: ‘he who keeps secrets shall soon attain his objectives.’
The skilful use of taqiyya and kitman was often a matter of life and death against enemies; it is also a matter of life and death to many contemporary Islamic terrorists. As so often in the history of Islam, a theological doctrine became operational.
During the Spanish inquisition, Sunni Moriscos attended mass and returned home to wash their hands of the ‘holy water’. In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed the ‘mujahadeen ’ to assume whatever identity was necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal and theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend to be Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and Jewish targets: ‘the mujahadeen can take the shape of the enemy’.
Taqiyya is common to both Shiite and Sunni Muslim discourse and has significant implications for understanding Islamic fundamentalism and terrorist operations. The theory and practice of counter terrorism would be counter productive, indeed pointless, and even harmful, without reference to taqiyya and kitman and the crucial role of deception ranging from Islamic jurisprudence to Al Qaeda training manuals, which carry detailed instructions on the use of deception by terrorists in Western target countries.
According to Christian ethics lying is a sin; In Islamic jurisprudence and theology, the use of taqiyya against the unbelievers is regarded as a virtue and a religious duty.
” Verily the most honourable of you in the sight of God is the most pious among you; verily, God is knowing, aware!” 49:13
Shi’a interpret the phrase above as “he among you who exercises Taqiyya most”
Like many Islamic concepts taqiyya and kitman were formed within the context of the Arab-Islamic matrix of tribalism, expansionary warfare and conflict. Taqiyya has been used by Muslims since the 7th century to confuse and split ‘the enemy’. A favored tactic was ‘deceptive triangulation’; to persuade the enemy that jihad was not aimed at them but at another enemy. Another tactic was to deny that there was jihad at all. The fate for such faulty assessments by the target was death.
Sydney NSW Australia: 2 November 2002
Sheik Taj el-Din al Hilaly, the controversial Grand Mufti of Australia, is enjoying lunch with his trusted assistant Keysar Trad. The journalist writing of the meeting with the Sheik noted:
‘Several times, when direct responses to questions about passages in the Koran begged a simple yes or no, both men preferred to avoid the issues by talking about the difficulties of translating passages from Arabic to English.’
Referring to the Sheikhs blithe dismissal of his virulent anti-Semitic remarks in 1998, the journalist reflected:
‘I can only muse at the facility of my guest, who has also praised suicide bombers in more recent times, to dismiss his notorious and abominable remarks with such ease and without actual apology. It seems clear that he is considering the way his remarks will be construed by the Sunday Telegraph’s huge and influential audience when they are translated into Arabic for Muslims to debate. He’s walking a tightrope.’
The skilled journalist should not be puzzled as the Sheik’s target audiences were Australians and not Arab readers. Taqiyya, or dissimulation, is a key feature in Islamic public discourse and confuses Western audiences. It is meant to, according to the Koran:
‘Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers; if any do that; they shall have no relation left with Allah except by way of precaution….that ye may guard yourselves’. 3:28
Al Taqiyya is with tongue only; not the heart. A believer can make any statement as long as the ‘heart is comfortable’. The 9/11 terrorists lived and visited in the United States for two years before the 9/11 attacks. How did they acculturate? By the use of taqiyya. Meaning: I hate you but I smile at you-in public.
Taqiyya and ‘Outwitting’ in contemporary political discourse and debates
Outwitting: Islamic spokesmen commonly use taqiyya as a form of ‘outwitting’. The matter under discussion is not to be debated or discussed; rather the opponent is to ‘outwitted’ through taqiyya, by diversion of the subject and obfuscation aided at times with a mystical reference to God or Allah.
The claim that difficulties in translating from Arabic to English make communication with non-Arab speakers difficult or impossible, is another form of outwitting. The tactical use of a translator offers considerable advantage.
Role playing as victim: Claiming to be ‘the victim’ of religious discrimination and intolerance during debate or discussion is another form of distraction and ‘outwitting’.
Manipulating ambiguity: Sheik Hilaly of Sydney, Australia is on public record as (a) ’condemning’ the 9/11 attacks in ambiguous terms and (b) praising suicide and martyr operations However, Islamic spokesmen will rarely condemn a specific act of terrorism and direct questions will be skillfully evaded.
Diversion: For example, questions relating to the 9/11 terrorists attacks will be diverted by a causally irrelevant counter reference to the plight of the Palestinians, the nefarious role of Israel and US foreign policy and support for Israel as ‘causes’ of terrorism.
Anti-Semitism, a core belief of Islamic fundamentalism is also skillfully diverted by misleading and exaggerated historical references to the alleged status enjoyed by Jews and non-believers under Islamic rule, thereby deflecting critical examination of the virulent contemporary Islamic anti-Semitism.
Demanding ’evidence’: Islamic spokesmen practice a form of taqiyya defined in psychology as ‘cognitive denial’ by repetitive and extreme requests for ‘evidence’ and ‘proof’ of alleged terrorist acts, which they know cannot be disclosed.
Tactical denial: Rather than admitting that a proposition concerning a state of affairs can be partly true, an Islamic spokesman will deny a claim or proposition in absolute terms. For example, “It is impossible to be a Muslim and a terrorist’ , which is false and ‘Islam forbids suicide’, which is true, but irrelevant as suicide or martyrdom attacks are not forbidden in the Koran.
Exploiting cognitive dissonance: Islamic spokesman tend to be baffle television interviewers and puzzle viewers as they resort to double talk ‘clichés and platitudes’ concerning Islam. A state of cognitive dissonance-holding two contradictory beliefs and attempting to resolve them- is induced in viewers as they attempt to process the claim that Islam is a peaceful religion with the dissonant facts of Islamic terrorist acts and operations.
The Islamic ’defence’ script: Islamic spokesmen repeat the same predictable platitudes concerning Islam in London as do Islamic spokesmen in Seattle and often appear to follow a prepared script from “Islam is tolerant and peace loving’ to the claim by Islamic spokeswomen invariably claiming that wearing the veil offers them more freedom (women in Muslim countries are therefore ‘freer’ than women in western countries), thereby precluding further examination into the real status of women under Islamic rule.
Islamic platitudes are also echoed uncritically by Western politicians, for example ”A small group of fundamentalists have hijacked a great religion’. The timely, skilful, misleading and diversionary theme of the ‘hijacking’ of Islam was introduced into public, political and media discourse by an Islamic ‘spokesmen’ in the United States shortly after the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
The “Islam has been hijacked’ diversionary theme is now a conventional media and political reference deflecting attention from empirical and historical examination of the doctrinal, political and religious continuity of Islamic terrorism. A related theme that a small minority of Muslims are engaged in terrorism is utterly irrelevant as Islamic terrorism is always perpetrated by ‘small minorities’ or more accurately’ small groups’.
Taqiyya as impressions and perceptions management
The tactical use of children: Australia television viewers noted that interviews with terrorist suspects raided by security authorities invariably featured veiled women holding small children or a baby as they protested their husband’s innocence and attested to his innate goodness. Trembling fingers pointed to ‘damage’ to the family residence. In some interviews the suspect / father holds the child, whilst denying involvement or knowledge of terrorism in any sense of the word: an example of taqiyya in the age of impressions and perception management.
Taqiyya and the Deceptive use of Jihad: The contemporary political meaning of jihad is clear: it is Jihad of the sword. Egyptian-based Islamic fundamentalists, from whom Bin Laden recruited his key operatives, believe jihad is the fourth pillar of Islam and is a binding belief and integral to the faith. Claiming that Jihad is a subjective and psychological state of personal struggle is taqiyya. In contemporary terms, Jihad means - holy war - against unbelievers and it in this context that Al Qaeda training manuals refer to Jihad as ‘Holy War’.
The study of taqiyya and kitman is crucial to an understanding of Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism ranging from the issuing of false terrorist threats, operational and strategic disinformation issued by Al Qaeda in the form of ‘intelligence chatter’ to the use of taqiyya and kitman by terrorists during interrogation and the use of systematically misleading expressions concerning Islam and terrorism by Muslim ‘spokesmen’.
Hi D-ude! Long time, pal .................. FRegards
The enemy is hidding in the Mosque’s
We need to eradicate the element that threatens us. Religious freedom only exists for the peaceful not the radical
wow.. you persuaded me! who can disagree with your well constructed arguments and facts!
LMAO!
i bet that nimrod hates MS too.
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