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Dubya's End
New York Post ^ | June 29, 2007 | John Podhoretz

Posted on 06/29/2007 4:14:31 AM PDT by Truth29

DUBYA'S END

BORDER BILL THE LAST BLOW

June 29, 2007 -- PRESIDENT Bush's disastrous second term has not been without its moments. Unfortunately for him, these moments have come primarily when members of his own party have risen up against him to defy his wishes. That's what happened yesterday. For the second time in four weeks, Republicans in the Senate put a stake through the heart of Bush's beloved but politically catastrophic immigration bill.

It's also what happened in the early months of the second term, when Bush chose to nominate his unqualified aide, Harriet Miers, to the Supreme Court - and finally backed down and had her withdraw her name after three weeks of lobbying and complaining.

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He would not and could not back down on immigration reform, an issue far too close to his heart. But after the Senate first rejected the bill at the end of May, Bush could have left it alone and accepted defeat. He could have seen reason, as he did in January 2004 when he first proposed a piece of legislation and was met with an uprising from his conservative base - whereupon he prudently dropped the subject because he was running for re-election and needed a united and enthusiastic Republican electorate behind him.

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And perhaps most interesting, Bush chose to believe it was more important to court potential future Republican voters - those illegals who would have gained a "path to citizenship" under the terms of the bill in 13 years' time - rather than listen to the concerns of present-day Republican voters.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amnesty; bush43; deathofthegop; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; podhoretz; politicalcaptial; term2; vampirebill; victory
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To: Earthdweller

Still adding nothing to the debate but nonsense, I see. I guess that’s a step up from your usual trade in lies.


401 posted on 06/30/2007 7:40:26 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: bray
Your answer is bankrupt every low tech business including farmers

Funny, but people will keep eating even if the cost of picking lettuce and apples goes up. And farmers will also have a strong inducement to automate.

402 posted on 06/30/2007 7:41:34 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: dirtboy

403 posted on 06/30/2007 7:45:43 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Earthdweller
A 760 mile fence is already authorized, liar.

You want to know where the fence is? Waiting for Bush to do his duty and build it as signed into law by him.

So go ahead, and make your next inane "where's the fence" post. You are only impressing yourself, which apparently doesn't take much.

404 posted on 06/30/2007 7:47:12 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: dirtboy
The Congressional Budget Office estimates the fence will cost $3.2 million a mile, Congress voted to hand DHS just $1.2 billion in fiscal year 2007 for construction. DHS needs to use half of it for other purposes besides the fence like technology and roadways. With say half of the 3.2 left what do you get...a little over 150 miles of fence? It's a down payment on 700 miles pal ....and you ain't getting no more now.


405 posted on 06/30/2007 7:56:44 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Earthdweller
The Congressional Budget Office estimates the fence will cost $3.2 million a mile, Congress voted to hand DHS just $1.2 billion in fiscal year 2007 for construction.

So that means there still could be over 300 miles built with the funds allocated - or roughly the amount called for in the bill that was shot down.

Yet Bush has only built 11 miles.

So the lack of a fence has nothing to do with the failure of this bill.

You're so stupid, you post factoids that gut your own argument.

406 posted on 06/30/2007 7:58:24 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: dirtboy

Not 300...100 maybe. Yep that’s enough for some Rinos we know.


407 posted on 06/30/2007 7:59:40 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: dirtboy
Hey Dirtboy..I dare you to ask your good buddy Lou Snobs at the Communist News Network where the fence is....

That is unless you are happy with that wittle one he forgot to tell you about.

408 posted on 06/30/2007 8:07:43 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Earthdweller
Not 300...100 maybe. Yep that’s enough for some Rinos we know.

Your math is even worse than your logic.

The Congressional Budget Office estimates the fence will cost $3.2 million a mile, Congress voted to hand DHS just $1.2 billion in fiscal year 2007 for construction.

I'll round it to $3.33 million per mile. That means a billion dollars would build 300 miles.

409 posted on 06/30/2007 8:40:55 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: Earthdweller
I dare you to ask your good buddy Lou Snobs at the Communist News Network where the fence is....

Using your own numbers, I have shown there is enough money for over 300 miles of fence.

Bush has built 11.

You really don't seem to grasp just how big a fool you are making yourself out to be here.

410 posted on 06/30/2007 8:41:59 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: dirtboy

Price of food doesn’t go up if you don’t have anybody to harvest the crops. Automation is a joke. Many of the crops cannot be harvested by machine and most farmers couldn’t ever recover the cost of the machine. Who you going to have run the machines even if they could afford them.

So bankrupt the farmers and lose the crops. Not an answer.

Pray for W and Our Troops


411 posted on 06/30/2007 9:10:48 AM PDT by bray (Member of the FR President Bush underground)
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To: dirtboy
You need to read the rest..only half if that will be used for the fence...


412 posted on 06/30/2007 9:16:13 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: backhoe

bttt


413 posted on 06/30/2007 9:17:21 AM PDT by southland (amnesty is a dirty word call 202 224 3121 and ask them to vote no!!)
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To: bray
Price of food doesn’t go up if you don’t have anybody to harvest the crops

If you pay people enough, they will harvest the crops. If people aren't available, farmers will automate the way it has been done in other countries.

Farmers tried this argument before about being unable to harvest tomatoes without illegal labor. Lo and behold, they figured out how to automate.

414 posted on 06/30/2007 9:28:25 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: Earthdweller
You need to read the rest..only half if that will be used for the fence...

OK, so that's about 180 miles, then. Why has Bush only built 11?

Liar.

415 posted on 06/30/2007 9:32:34 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: dirtboy

You are the liar...you told us that we can get the whole 700 mile fence out of the Dems...Where’s the fence?


416 posted on 06/30/2007 9:38:31 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Earthdweller
You are the liar...you told us that we can get the whole 700 mile fence out of the Dems...Where’s the fence?

I didn't say that, liar.

417 posted on 06/30/2007 9:39:56 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: bert

“Do not misunderestimate W”

Let’s see: Appoints Colin Powell as Secy. of State, signs McCain-Feingold, nominates Harriet Miers for SCJ, tries to sell out country to immigration-scam, throws Donald Rumsfeld under the bus, appoints Gonzalez as AG (probably the most incompetent AG in history, has let mutts like Schumer, Reid & Pelosi crap all over him......yeah! I misunderestimated when I voted for him.


418 posted on 06/30/2007 9:42:23 AM PDT by KenmcG414 (wHAT DID)
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To: dirtboy

Yes you did..you said the fence is funded. You have no facts and you have no moral ground to stand on. Go away dirtboy. You sold us down the river.


419 posted on 06/30/2007 9:42:46 AM PDT by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: Diogenesis
For the second time in four weeks, Republicans in the Senate put a stake through the heart of Bush's beloved but politically catastrophic immigration bill.

puke!

420 posted on 06/30/2007 9:42:58 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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