Posted on 06/27/2007 11:50:13 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
As the title implies, it appears more and more that our Constitutional Republic is becoming more corrupt by the day through back-room bribes and under-handed dealings regarding the Senate "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" package.
Currently, the Senate and the Executive Branch is efforting to force this legislation that will completely negate our system of justice by undermining our legal immigrations system and giving "special treatment" (amnesty) to those who have wait their turn.
I have long fought against "illegal immigration" in many ways and for many years. But I never believed that our Fedgov would so actively work to undermine what our Founding Fathers fought and died for (American sovereigny), not to mention the 10's of thousands who have died and been maimed for said ideals.
It's become painfully obvious to me with this monstrous and sovereign destroying collaboration between President Bush, Senator Kennedy, Senator McCain and many others, that our very existence as Republic will experience the final socialist nail in the coffin.
Even the most intellectually challenged can see how it will only help to increase the invasion of foreign nationals. And just how many foreign nationals do we need.
Here's a question that NO ONE, I mean NO ONE has ever answered in all my postings on the Internet: Just how many more of the planet Earth's oppressed should we take in every year? 500,000?; 1,000,000?; 2,000,000?; 4,000,000?; 8,000,000?; 16,000,000?; 32,000,000?
HOW MANY? How many will it take to degrade our amazing American standard of living? This is not rocket science. It's simple arithimetic.
So what do we do? Even if the House kills this obscenity, what do we do with these Senators who have pushed it? Attempting to vote them out of office rarely works. People are greedy and love the pork their Reps bring home.
So what to do? I don't believe in insurrection, but I have no problem with those who would use misdemeanors to get attention. I am not encouraging same. However, keep in mind how effective sit-ins and paint splashings (not on public property) and such have been for the liberal/marxists in the past. There are other ways to demean and dishonor those in Congress who dishonor us.
Again, I don't encourage illegal methods, but those who would make a point to counter the advancing socialism and totalitarian efforts of our so-called Senators, I would be tickled to see.
Got ideas? Or are you just going to keep going over to the local neighborhood polling place and push the button for the lessor of the evils? If so, then enjoy your slow decline into one more self-absorbed country that died within. Time to act, or cower in your living room with the latest reality show. Just know, there are actions you can take.
I can't organize it, but if someone else will I'll be there.
Congress has a very low approval rating. It is humorous when we ask what we can do.
Now those sly devils in the house voted themselves a $4000.00 + pay raise yesterday. They must think they are worth it.
Heard this per Fox news this morning. Congress the only place where you get a raise paid for poor performance! LOL
See my post #61. It's torch and pitchfork time.
Just go back to what one of the Founders had to say on the subject:
Thomas Jefferson:
“The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. “
Well said. They jump in their limos...
They don’t live where we live. They don’t even have to do their own GD laundry!
And we’re all so “free” because we get to vote for:
A) Traitor 1(Democratic) or
B) Traitor 2(Republican)
Do you have any workable ones?
Term limits. Professional Senators and Congressmen for Life can not be abided by a free people.
(1)Groups like the Council on Foreign Relations, The Trilateral Commission, Organization of American States, etc., need to be closely monitored with their members who have already served "In the Hill" and post these 'involved people' all over the place.
(2) Change one point of campaign finance law as to not allow any outgoing politician to take 'their' millions home with them from the reelection (I voted the way I was paid) coffers.
(3) Bar any former federal elected official from serving as a lobbyists for 5 years after leaving office and permanently banned from working as a lobbyist for foreign corporations or countries.
(4)Introduce a viable third party for the '2-party system'.
(5)Have legislation introduced and passed that incorporate Congressional pay raises to be voted on by the public during presidential elections.
(6)Bring term limits into reality (8 years max either house).
(7)Tie congressional retirement monies and amounts directly to current Social Security as well as health care (Medicare).
At least it will be a start.
Remember: The American Citizen is the backbone and true power of this nation.
We have been trained by our political elites for the past 50 years to be customers not citizens and have generally restricted our personal political activity to voting for one of the two candidates thrown up by the two parties. The mass of welfare and entitlement programs as well as the huge government bureaucracy that employs an increasing number of Americans have served to turn self-governing citizens into supplicants at the public trough and has caused Americans to waste their political energy fighting each other for more handouts rather than as citizens deciding together on what in the common interest. What we see now on the political scene -- an unresponsive ruling elite that arrogantly imposes its will on us in defiance of our democratically enacted laws -- is the consequence of this dynamic of our abdicating our roles as self-governing citizens.
The mission is nothing less than restoring republican self-governance and we cannot wait for leadership to arise from one of the two existing parties. That simply will not do anymore. The two parties are themselves the problem. They have combined with business and media elites to impose their own elite policies on us against our will and despite our democratically enacted laws. We will have to generate our own political leaders who will both educate the citizenry about what is at stake -- the loss of our freedom to govern ourselves -- while building a political movement that will challenge the elites’ project of arbitrary rule. Given the bipartisan dissatisfaction with how this immigration policy is being forced upon us against our will, Americans are particularly receptive to this message now.
So the answer to the question is “we the people” have to generate a political movement that first understands what is at stake (republican self-governance) , is able and willing to explain this to the American citizenry, and which mounts a political challenge at the ballot box to the existing two parties. This can happen either as a third party movement or as an effort to take over one of the existing parties and change its priorities and goals to restoring republican self-governance.
In the longer term, we will have to scale back the massive welfare state because it is incompatible with a free people governing themselves. In today’s parlance we cannot outsource the provision of all our needs to an overweening and dictatorial government and expect to maintain the independence of mind and character traits that are recognized as necessary for a people to remain free and self-governing. Are we up to this? I really don’t know but I do believe we have a better prospect for resurrecting the ideals of our founding -- the sovereignty of the people -- than perhaps any other nation on earth. This ancient faith of free and self-governing citizens is in our institutional memory as a people, ready to be awakened. We have the constitutional tools and there is nothing to prevent us from creating a political movement that could turn over the membership of the entire House of Representatives in less than two years.
The first task, correctly identifying the problem and what is at stake as the loss of republican self-governance has been made abundantly clear by the behavior of our President and other ruling elites in this immigration debate. The ball is now in our corner as a people. The next task is to generate the national leadership -- a modern day Jefferson or Madison -- who will lead a movement to sound the alarm and provide an alternative, a real challenge, to the death grip the existing two parties and their friends in the business and media aristocracy have on our political and everyday life. We have to quit focusing our power of the vote merely on who will be the lesser of two evils in the next election but on preserving the very ability to have any say at all in what is happening to us as people.
I do.
The Founders did.
Lemme know when you've run through all the other options, AGAIN, and come up with nothing...
It's time for a Great Ignoring of politics in general. When people put their time and money into improving their local communities and stop funding the Republicrat Criminal Empire, the power of the Federal Government will be reduced dramatically. Where conservatives make their big mistake is in thinking that the Federal Government will get stronger if it isn't actively opposed...on the contrary, it gets stronger precisely because it is actively opposed. Corrupt insiders use that negative attention to demand massive expansions of Federal police power and civil-rights-limiting laws like the Patriot Act. Poverty pimps and welfare-state thugs also use the negative attention of conservatives as proof of racism and inequality, and thus justify their demands for more cash. It's our active, vocal opposition that fuels much of the dysfunction in DC.
I'm fully aware that this will be an unpopular opinion on FR - people here love to feel they are fighting the good fight. It's uncomfortable to contemplate that all of your work has done nothing but make the enemy even stronger.
Render under to Caesar, then forget about him. He'll inevitably shrink, despite his best efforts. ;)
Let the economy slow down to crawl and let tax revenues drop. Let the supermarket shelves start to go bare.
Ditto
You don't have to look any further than a certain congressman's freezer to find your answer. The FBI got too close for comfort, hence all the "bi-partizan outrage". Blackbird.
Amen!
What to do? Vote them out... mass tax revolt... demonstrations... blog and forum participation, run for office yourself. All alternatives.
BTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strict term limits at every level, for one. Anonymity of all political contributors (they can’t sell influence if they don’t know who the buyer is) for another.
Take the profit and power motive out of politics; that will leave those who have the best interest of the nation at heart to SERVE.
“Personally, were I represented by any Republican Senator who will vote tomorrow for cloture, I would not vote for them in their next campaign, even if it were five years from now. Let that be a lesson to them.”
Unfortunately, I am an Ohioan and represented by RINOvich, who proved that he is a blithering idiot yesterday on Hannity’s show (AGAIN!) If he runs in 2010, he is going to get “DEWINED” — thrown out of office. We will NOT forget!!
To me that seems to be the problem all over. Everyone is intimidated by PC, scared of standing up and saying why they are standing up, telling the truth without mincing words and so-forth.
Once, a very wise friend of mine told me simply, “When manners take a back-seat, when public discourse becomes crude, when people feel that they no longer have a voice in affairs of their native country, that is the time to focus on what ugliness is really coming down the road.”
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