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Crowd aims fury at regional panel (Tahoe residents point finger at environmentalists)
LA Times ^ | 6/26/07 | Eric Bailey and J. Michael Kennedy, Times Staff Writers

Posted on 06/26/2007 9:50:48 AM PDT by BurbankKarl

The mood of the crowd jammed into the meeting room was angry.

Many had lost their homes to the forest fire that swept through the Sierra Nevada just south of Lake Tahoe.

They said they were angry at bureaucrats and environmentalists who made cutting of trees and clearing of land difficult. There was always too much red tape, they said, and now it was too late.

In all, a crowd of nearly 2,000 people descended on the South Tahoe Middle School auditorium Monday night, wanting to be heard in the face of their losses.

And if there was an object of scorn in the crowd, it was the Tahoe Regional Planning Agency, a powerful bi-state environmental land use agency charged with managing the resources of the basin.

When a speaker mentioned the agency, the crowd responded with a chorus of boos. "What a joke!" yelled one man.

The wrangling began in earnest over the assignment of blame, including arguments over whether federal and state forest managers had made their tree clearing rules too strict in the face of pressure by environmentalists.

A common sentiment Monday was expressed by Jerry Martin, a bartender at the Horizon Casino Resort, whose house was still standing, although eight others around it had burned to the ground. He said U.S. Forest Service rules regulating the harvesting of dead trees were too stringent for those living next to government land.

"I hate to get political, but environmentalists wouldn't let us cut down the dead trees," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: ecoweenies; environmentalism; forestmanagement; gloriesofsocialism; greens; laketahoe; propertyrights; wildfires
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To: BurbankKarl
He was talking about environmentalists standings next to the dozers telling the contractors the legal way to cut fire lines as the flames approach.

I've heard of a similar situation in NM, and there were also archeologists to make sure the dozers didn't damage any Indian sites.

21 posted on 06/26/2007 10:15:40 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: what's up
I think I read that Tahoe votes mostly Republican.

Don't know where you heard that. I used to have a sister-in-law in that area, and there are many little "free" newspapers, quite left-wing. Somebody's picking them up and reading them. My experience is possibly not typical.

22 posted on 06/26/2007 10:17:17 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Did Dennis Kucinich always look like that or did he have to submit to a series of shots? [firehat])
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To: EggsAckley

Whoever allowed this should be charged with arson. I can’t believe these stupid idiots would not allow dead wood to be removed. What in Hells Bells was their reason?


23 posted on 06/26/2007 10:17:24 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Probably endagered termites or something like that....


24 posted on 06/26/2007 10:17:51 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Did Dennis Kucinich always look like that or did he have to submit to a series of shots? [firehat])
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To: bigfootbob

The enviro-nazis will respond that you shouldn’t have built a home there in the first place, and they will try to block rebuilding. To them, everyone needs to be living in some godawful urban highrise.


25 posted on 06/26/2007 10:18:04 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Cyber Liberty
I read just the other day that Republican voters in Tahoe edged out Dem voters by a small margin.

It surprised me too.

26 posted on 06/26/2007 10:19:46 AM PDT by what's up
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To: BurbankKarl
If the government owns the land around YOUR property, don't be able to protect yours. People think they can have both national forests and mountain homes. Sorry, it doesn't work like that in real life. There's that threat of fire here in Colorado and I sit literally right on the firebreak line. The town is opposite my home. Good luck getting the government to respect private property when it won't even respect the rule of law in our country.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

27 posted on 06/26/2007 10:20:02 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: what's up

Hmmmm. The liberals are being diluted in Truckee. I must pass this one along....


28 posted on 06/26/2007 10:21:55 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Did Dennis Kucinich always look like that or did he have to submit to a series of shots? [firehat])
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To: pepsionice

I wonder if the environmental experts agree that the total lose of a forest is a bad thing.


29 posted on 06/26/2007 10:22:00 AM PDT by stevio ((NRA))
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To: Cyber Liberty
"there are many little "free" newspapers, quite left-wing. Somebody's picking them up and reading them."

I pick the free Lefty papers to spend their money and see what businesses I need to avoid. Then I put them in the garbage to take up landfill space.

30 posted on 06/26/2007 10:22:38 AM PDT by listenhillary (Conservatives -- We're NOT DEAD YET !!!)
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To: stevio
I wonder if the environmental experts agree that the total lose of a forest is a bad thing.

I don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to hazard a guess that they don't. Total losses are just nature's way of making omelets, right?

31 posted on 06/26/2007 10:23:30 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Did Dennis Kucinich always look like that or did he have to submit to a series of shots? [firehat])
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To: listenhillary

I like your style.


32 posted on 06/26/2007 10:23:55 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Did Dennis Kucinich always look like that or did he have to submit to a series of shots? [firehat])
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To: goldstategop
It’s also not surprising when people build homes in an area that burns regularly.
I mean many rural areas of California depend on regular wildfires to keep the ecosystem in line, but regular smaller fires, which use up small amounts of fuel and naturally clear the deadwood.
Hell, there are plants that don’t even germinate until after a fire (then someone goes and builds a home in the middle of this area and wants to insure it, and gets po'd when they can't get a homeowners' policy on an area 40 miles form the nearest fire station that burns every 20 years, ha).
33 posted on 06/26/2007 10:27:49 AM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, ATF and DEA)
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To: siunevada
They kept the forest natural with the natural result.

Actually, what they kept was an unnatural forest.

Fires are a natural part of a forest environment. This has always been true, but it has become more so thanks to the Indians. They used fire in many areas to clear land or suppress the growth of unwanted plants. They have been engaged in this re-engineering of the environment for thousands of years now. The plant species that grow there now have been bred to survive periodic fires. However, for the past century, we've been fighting what generations of Indians engineered into the forest. We put out fires as quickly as we can. The result is an overabundance of dead trees and dry undergrowth; "fuel" as firefighters call it. What the enviralists are trying to preserve as "natural" isn't natural at all and is only about 100 years old.

34 posted on 06/26/2007 10:29:09 AM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: BurbankKarl

From the end of the article. A little more blame might belong to the homeowners.

(Snip)

Sgt. Don Atkinson of the El Dorado County Sheriff’s Department said heavy growth in the area, especially manzanita plants, contributed to the danger.

He said fire officials request that underbrush be cleared at least 30 feet from residences.

“Sometimes people do it and sometimes people don’t,” he said. “There’s a lot of residences where manzanita grows right up to the house, and that’s unfortunate. It’s very flammable and it’s got oils and stuff in it that really tend to drive a fire.”

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“It’s important to relay the message that homeowners can cut a tree down without a permit,” she said.

“If they want to cut down trees, all they have to do is call their fire districts,” she said.

Lauri Kemper of the Lahontan Regional Water Quality Control Board said most people in the basin are reluctant to clear out trees.

“I’ve lived here for 22 years and folks like their trees,” she said. “They like it for the habitat and the beauty they create.”


35 posted on 06/26/2007 10:29:38 AM PDT by listenhillary (Conservatives -- We're NOT DEAD YET !!!)
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To: BurbankKarl

Most so-called “EnvironMENTALists” are nothing but class-warriors using the cloak of environmentalism to push their class hatred. So you can bet they are happy to see rich people’s houses burn down.


36 posted on 06/26/2007 10:34:59 AM PDT by dfwgator (The University of Florida - Still Championship U)
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To: BurbankKarl; SierraWasp

“And if there was an object of scorn in the crowd, it was the Tahoe Regional Planning Agency, a powerful bi-state environmental land use agency charged with managing the resources of the basin.”

This is what happens when you allow an unelected, unaccountable gang of bureaucrats write law, enforce the law and judge the law.

The Russians called these regional councils soviet socialists.

This might wake up a few folks to realize they are living under a dictatorship, where their natural right to be represented via the ballot box has been nullified.


37 posted on 06/26/2007 10:36:33 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: bigfootbob

Rain taxes? Can you explaine that to me? Do you get taxed if it rains, or do you get taxed if it doesn’t rain?


38 posted on 06/26/2007 10:48:43 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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The majority of “Environmentalists” are terrorists, and should be dealt with accordingly.


39 posted on 06/26/2007 10:52:15 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: BurbankKarl
And the Good News?? If a "Conservative is a Liberal that just got mugged", then we have some converts as of Sunday!

Environmentalists are taking a real hit up here and its' looooong over due...

40 posted on 06/26/2007 11:00:44 AM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck ("Flying is like Life: Know where you are, where you're going, and how to get there." - 'Ol Dad)
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