Romney: Attacks On Mormon Religion Troubling

CBS 4 MIAMI ^ | 23 JUNE 2007 | AP

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

(AP) SALT LAKE CITY -- Mitt Romney said Saturday that criticism of his Mormon religion by rival GOP presidential campaigns is happening too frequently.

“Clearly, any derogatory comments about anyone’s faith—those comments are troubling. The fact they keep on coming up is even more troubling,” Romney said during a fundraising trip in the home state of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The Mormon church is one of the fastest-growing religions and claims about 12.5 million members worldwide. But many evangelical Christians in crucial primary states such as Iowa and South Carolina consider the faith a cult.

Romney’s remarks follow an apology from GOP rival John McCain’s campaign for comments about the Mormon church allegedly made this year by a volunteer.

Also recently, Republican presidential hopeful, Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas, issued a similar apology for a campaign worker’s e-mail to Iowa Republican leaders that was an apparent attempt to draw unfavorable scrutiny of Romney’s religion. Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani apologized after the New York Sun noted that a campaign aide had forwarded to a blogger a story about unofficial Mormon lore. Legend has it that a Mormon would save the Constitution, the story said. The campaign aide passed the story along with a note: “Thought you’d find this interesting.”

Romney said in a large presidential race there always will be some volunteers or workers who cannot be controlled. But he said the difference between derogatory comments that originated from the McCain campaign and others is that the Arizona senator has not personally apologized to him.

“In the case of Senator Brownback and Mayor Giuliani ... they called immediately. They each spoke with me personally. I don’t have any issue with that at all,” Romney said.

He said McCain “can do whatever he feels is the right thing. There’s no need for me to suggest how people respond to things that go on in the campaign.”

Tucker Bounds, a McCain campaign spokesman, said the McCain campaign has already apologized.

“It’s a very sincere apology. There is absolutely no place for those type of comments in our campaign,” he said.

Romney, a former governor of Massachusetts, said he had not spoken with McCain since the last presidential debate, on June 5.

Romney used a fundraiser hosted by Utah Jazz owner Larry Miller to criticize the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law. It banned unregulated, unlimited contributions from corporations, unions and wealthy individuals to national political parties and federal candidates.

“The bill ought to be repealed,” he said. “It’s been the wrong course for American campaigns.”

Romney said he favors unlimited donations as long as they are immediately disclosed on the Internet.

Romney was attending fundraisers in Salt Lake City and in Logan on Saturday.

[Elsie]

I wish I could write a program to see how many posts there are for and against Mitt Romney and his religion.

You could start here...

 

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself ^adelivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I ^bsaw two ^cPersonages, whose brightness and ^dglory defy all description, ^estanding above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My ^fBeloved ^gSon. Hear Him!

  18 My object in going to ^ainquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.

  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all ^awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those ^bprofessors were all ^ccorrupt; that: “they ^ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ^ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the ^fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the ^gpower thereof.”

  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself ^alying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, ^bmother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 

[Elsie]

However, to be frank, my rule is, if you don't vote, you can't criticize. :)

I learned something like this in the service...

When overseas, our outfit lived offbase, for there was NO base around!

Anyway, we pitched in for food and rent and other things and would go weekly to the store to stock up.

I was one the the gofers and was ALWAYS telling the others to come and help with the buying, loading and stocking. None did.

But they sure would bit.. oops complain about what I had bought!

I kept telling them, "Come and help and we'll get whatEVER you want at the store."

They didn't, I kept buying what I wanted, and they kept on griping.

It's easy to learn to ignore them! ;^)

[Elsie]

While we're talking kitchen appliances, how about pots and kettles?

I was thinking of an alliteration using the word FORK.

[Elsie]

THERE ARE NO COMPETE ORIGINALS KNOWN AVAILIABLE!

For the Book of Mormon!

For many of JS' saying we so hang on!

For many of the SERMONS our beloved leaders have given to us in the LDS Organization; either!!

[Elsie]

I have to agree!

[Elsie]

You don't discuss substance, you just attack and think that will work, "News flash!" it don't fly!

OH???

 

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself ^adelivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I ^bsaw two ^cPersonages, whose brightness and ^dglory defy all description, ^estanding above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My ^fBeloved ^gSon. Hear Him!

  18 My object in going to ^ainquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.

  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all ^awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those ^bprofessors were all ^ccorrupt; that: “they ^ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ^ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the ^fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the ^gpower thereof.”

  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself ^alying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, ^bmother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” 

 

It appears that you are wrong!

[Elsie]

No, wait... Jesus Himself!

Or someone just as good......

[Elsie]

Great humanitarian works were performed by the Church and its members in connection with the souteast Asia tsuami, the earthquakes in Afghanistan and El Salvador and the hurricane in New Orleans.

So did the Shriners!

[Elsie]

Ha!

[Osage Orange]

Verses 11 and 12 speak of an actual event in Church history where portions of the translation of the manuscript of the book of Mormon was signed off on by a professor of ancient languages, but when told they could not bring the plates because they were sealed, he ripped up his endorsement and told them to go their way.

Was that professor Charles Anthon..of Columbia University?

[Elsie]

John 14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments.

And those would be... what?

[Elsie]

I don’t use white letters to talk to anyone here.

At least those CAN be seen!

Many use PRIVATE REPLY which CAN'T!

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(Think of it as using BIG words in front of the children... ;^)

[Elsie]

And your comment about sacred, not secret. OH my; how to start.

Isn't it YOUR organization that INSISTS that the Temple ceremonies be SECRET? because they are SACRED?

Even here on FR your wishes are granted in that anytime some person will have the audacity to post them, the Mod's will remove them.

[Elsie]

...he that DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven.

And just what IS that 'will'?

[Elsie]

...he that DOETH the will of my Father which is in heaven.

And just what IS that 'will'?

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 John 6:28-30
 28.  Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
 29.  Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
 30.  So they asked him, "What miraculous sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do?

[Elsie]

I truly believe in Jesus Christ and by doing so, I do all I can to keep His commandments and serve others.

Even I agree with this.

It's the REQUIREMENT that sticks in my craw.

[Elsie]

I have been hunting once, didn’t care for it, but to each their own.

I usually have to 'hunt' for my glasses a couple of times a day!

And tools? Don't EVEN get me started!

(Especially if the grandkids have been over!)

[aMorePerfectUnion]

Seven,
Sorry for the near death experience.

My point was that the translation you used
does not translate the passage correctly -
using he and him instead of the correct “it”.

I was pointing out that an incorrect translation
of a word has led to an item of incorrect
mormonism belief that Satan would rule over
Cain.

Not sure why that was unclear. Hope that helps.

BTW, I have yet to ever find anything Joseph
Smith “restored” to the Church that was actually
Biblical.

best to you,
ampu

[Elsie]

How many of your LDS brothers and sisters think that it is by doing works that they will attain the highest level of Heaven where they will dwell in the presence of the Heavenly Father?

Even the BOOK says this:

 John 12:25-26
 25.  The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
 26.  Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.

 

John 14:1-3
 1.  "Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God ; trust also in me.
 2.  In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you.
 3.  And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

[Elsie]

Thank you its been said what one is like in life is what they will be like in the here after!

 

But they are wrong....

 

1 John 3:2
   Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when he appears,  we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.