Posted on 06/23/2007 1:28:02 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
(AP) SALT LAKE CITY -- Mitt Romney said Saturday that criticism of his Mormon religion by rival GOP presidential campaigns is happening too frequently.
Clearly, any derogatory comments about anyones faiththose comments are troubling. The fact they keep on coming up is even more troubling, Romney said during a fundraising trip in the home state of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Mormon church is one of the fastest-growing religions and claims about 12.5 million members worldwide. But many evangelical Christians in crucial primary states such as Iowa and South Carolina consider the faith a cult.
Romneys remarks follow an apology from GOP rival John McCains campaign for comments about the Mormon church allegedly made this year by a volunteer.
Also recently, Republican presidential hopeful, Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas, issued a similar apology for a campaign workers e-mail to Iowa Republican leaders that was an apparent attempt to draw unfavorable scrutiny of Romneys religion. Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani apologized after the New York Sun noted that a campaign aide had forwarded to a blogger a story about unofficial Mormon lore. Legend has it that a Mormon would save the Constitution, the story said. The campaign aide passed the story along with a note: Thought youd find this interesting.
Romney said in a large presidential race there always will be some volunteers or workers who cannot be controlled. But he said the difference between derogatory comments that originated from the McCain campaign and others is that the Arizona senator has not personally apologized to him.
In the case of Senator Brownback and Mayor Giuliani ... they called immediately. They each spoke with me personally. I dont have any issue with that at all, Romney said.
He said McCain can do whatever he feels is the right thing. Theres no need for me to suggest how people respond to things that go on in the campaign.
Tucker Bounds, a McCain campaign spokesman, said the McCain campaign has already apologized.
Its a very sincere apology. There is absolutely no place for those type of comments in our campaign, he said.
Romney, a former governor of Massachusetts, said he had not spoken with McCain since the last presidential debate, on June 5.
Romney used a fundraiser hosted by Utah Jazz owner Larry Miller to criticize the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law. It banned unregulated, unlimited contributions from corporations, unions and wealthy individuals to national political parties and federal candidates.
The bill ought to be repealed, he said. Its been the wrong course for American campaigns.
Romney said he favors unlimited donations as long as they are immediately disclosed on the Internet.
Romney was attending fundraisers in Salt Lake City and in Logan on Saturday.
How funny. So you think that simply because a story gets repeated a lot that makes it true? Where is your Engineering study? I am waiting, but I am not holding my breath.
Biblical Christians, they are my people. Who are yours, may I ask? The Mormons? Freemasons? Atheists?
Atheists, but I used to be a Mormon.
As to the Biblical story of Noah and the flood vs the book of Mormons Jaredites, apples and oranges. The former was a barge-like construction for the survival of the flood only, the purpose was not to go from point A to point B.
No threatening flood when the Jaredites allegedly left, they were to go from point A to point B. So why not actual vessels with sails? Why the barge-like construction?
What is your point in comparing fables? The idea that someone built a boat and the whole earth flooded and he fed all the animals of the world for a year is a lot more ludicrous than someone building a couple of small boats to travel somewhere.
The answer is, though Mormons will never admit it, Solomon Spaulding wrote this as a fiction novel, a sort of spin off on the story of Noah and his barge-like ark. Whether or not it was feasible was of no concern to Spaulding, he was writing fiction, for heavens sake. Fiction the Mormons take as fact.
Have you ever read the Spaulding Novel? LOL You really don't have a clue do you?
Just so you don't forget I am still waiting for that engineering report explaining how Noah built an Ark that was capable of floating for a year, in the worst ocean known to man, feeding and caring for 40,000 animals, etc. etc. The rainbow explanation should be good too ^_^
You do realize it is a fairy tale don't you?
Exactly. That's why I pointed this one out. Logically, it's impossible.
But then so is a talking donkey.
"babbling idiots?"
Name calling... how original.
What is the difference between that belief and the Muslim suicide bomber who believes that he is dying in the service of Allah? How do we convince the Muslim Zealots out there that they are killing themselves because of a fairy tale?
Do we simply have to kill them? Or is there another way? What would it take to convince you that the earth didn’t stop its rotation when Joshua raised his arms?
One Wacko Fundamentalist, at your service.
"What is the difference between that belief and the Muslim suicide bomber..."
Christians, (or Mormons, for that matter), don't tend to explode.
"... killing themselves because of a fairy tale?"
You insult the Koran! Fatwah! Fatwah! Hehee...
Agreed, the Koran is best utilized in two-ply mode.
BTW, Christians are also instructed to die for our faith. The difference is that we are to accept martyrdom rather than renounce Christ, but nowhere are we told to kill ourselves for God.
"Do we simply have to kill them?"
If you see Akmed about to blow your children up, aim for the head.
"Or is there another way?"
Headshots work best.
"What would it take to convince you that the earth didnt stop its rotation when Joshua raised his arms?"
When I meet Joshua in Heaven, he could giggle at me, "Fell for that one, did ya'?" That would convince me.
True, Christians tend to live for their religion not die for it.
Since nothing would shake your belief in Christ, might it also be fair to say that there are Muslims who have an equal belief in Allah? They believe in spreading their belief by the sword, so is the only possible solution simply to start killing Muslims, only stopping when they are all dead?
Faith can be an incredibly powerful motivator. I hate to think that the only antidote is death.
Hey, my buddy LeGrande,
Do you mind if I jump in and post some Noah’s Ark studies
for you? I can’t say they are engineering studies, but I
Googled them up for your inquiring mind.
Here’s the first link to some info on the Sea Worthiness of the vessel.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/safety_aig/safety_aig.htm
You may have difficulty sleeping after this, so here is a
brief explanation of Cargo Holding capacity, averaage
density of food, animals, etc.
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/cargo/cargo.htm
That should be fascinating reading for you on the night table
next to Hawkings book. You’ll have to print it out on your
own paper.
If you decide to check the calculations yourself, which I
highly recommend, here is a link to a CUBIT Calculator!
http://www.csgnetwork.com/cubitscnv.html
LeGrande, here is a discussion of how it “may” have all
worked to help put it together. They do not come up with
your 40,000 number, but interesting reading for you during
those late night hours.
http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/595
Finally, all Googling must come to a close due to dinners,
bathroom time, etc., since you seem very committed to this
endeavor, you might want to shell out some hard currency
and buy a book that works the calculations hard.
http://www.amazon.com/Noahs-Ark-Feasibility-John-Woodmorappe/dp/customer-reviews/0932766412
Now, to close...
I really do not know how it all worked. If it was miraculous,
I’m not thinking I have to explain it using natural
explanations - or it wouldn’t be a miracle, by definition.
In any case, I’ve tried to step in and give you what you
seem to want.
Best to you friend,
ampu
And yet you persist with that tagline.
Same God, different interpretations of just what that God is.
It is important to know ourselves and to truly know our enemy so that we can always defeat him, to paraphrase Sun Tzu. Just demonizing them won't win the war. We need to figure out how to destroy their will to fight.
I think the solution is simple. Seize the oil fields of any nation who attacks us.
It will take me a while to run through your references.
What did you think of my challenge for Noah and his family to take care of a thousand cows. Did you do the math?
This Allah character tells Mohamed, (Pig dung Be Upon Him), that Jesus is a mere prophet, not divine. That is a fundamental incompatibility with the Bible. (Matthew 3:17)
If Islam is true, Christianity must be false and vice-versa. They are mutually exclusive to the very core.
Now, if you want to continue this line of thought, rip out the New Testament and compare Judaism with Islam. Here too we encounter problems with trying to equate Allah with the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
For example, God never said to convert or kill everyone else to Judaism.
Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month--on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.
Genesis 8:13-16
13. By the first day of the first month of Noah's six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth. Noah then removed the covering from the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was dry.
14. By the twenty-seventh day of the second month the earth was completely dry.
15. Then God said to Noah,
16. "Come out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and their wives.
I knew it would happen some day!
My decoder ring batteries have finally given out!
But you only have to beluieve one part of the Bible:
John Chapter 6
28. Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
29. Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
You may want to do a bit more research....
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=HPIC,HPIC:2005-18,HPIC:en&q=jesus+in+the+koran
On the other hand, the central theme of the Book of Mormon is Christ.
Then it's too bad that 2 Nephi 10:3 didn't get it right!
But; alas; we won't do that, for we are such nice guys!
"Two personages visited me."
They were on the sealed boat 375 days. He still had to feed and water the animals afterwords too.
Did you do the math on the space requirements for the hay required to feed a mere thousand cattle?
Then what is your beef with the Mormons? They certainly believe that.
I know, but if we did or if they knew for a certainty that we would, we wouldn't be having the problems we have today.
If Israel could and would commit genocide in Gaza, Israel would be at peace right now.
Mercy is often confused with weakness.
You are right. God just told his people to kill every man women and child, and all the animals too. They didn't even attempt conversion.
I also just finished reading a book on the Inquisition. The Christians certainly don't have very much to learn from the Muslims or the Jews. Also we were just discussing the flood, what do you think was its purpose?
My point is that there interpretations of Gods will is what is the difference between the three religions. They all profess to believe in the God of Abraham. That is why they are called the People of the Book.
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