Posted on 06/23/2007 12:21:46 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Whereas I do not doubt that some of the crevo-only posters were liberal, I believe most of them were conservative, at least fiscally conservative.
Evolution is Atheist religious Creativism..
ID is Agnostic quasi-religious Creativism...
Young earth Creationism asks who were the parents of the third human being on earth..
Another (smaller) group sees the bible not wholly literally as mostly metaphorical.. To them the age of the earth don't even matter.. since time is probably a mental construct of humans.. because their bodies die.. i.e. eternity..
Is that supposed to be toughie for science?
My question to the young earth creationist would be: Isn't God smart enough to know that having sex with your parents and siblings a bad idea?
Most creationists are not YEC and have no problem with the age of the universe though they may have disputes among themselves about the origin of man and/or other biological life (from a previous post of mine:)
Also, the Jews see the Torah as a direct revelation of God. We Christians see all of Scripture as a revelation of God. Moreover we Christians see the Father's most important revelations in Himself - in the Person of Jesus Christ and in the indwelling Holy Spirit.
But we are all individuals and tend to understand things somewhat differently. Moreover - at the forefront of these debates - and fueling resentments is the different understanding among Christians concerning the creation of man which derives, not from science, but from our understanding of Scripture.
Specifically, we Christians have different interpretations of Romans 5:12–14 and I Corinthians 15:42–48: one side says that Adam was the first mortal man and the other says that Adam was the first ensouled man. Thus, the interpretation among Christians concerning Genesis 1-3 (the origin of man) cuts this way:
Gosse Omphalus Hypothesis which says that Adam was the first mortal man and that God created an old looking universe some 6000 years ago in proper or absolute time.
Old Earth Creationism which says that Adam was the first ensouled man, that the universe is some 15 billion years old in proper or absolute time, that evolution occurred and Adam was ensouled some 6000 years ago in proper or absolute time.
Special Creationism which says that Adam was created some 6000 years ago in some unspecified time and place.
My view – which is akin to Jewish physicist Gerald Schroeder's is that we must consider both relativity and inflationary theory – that some 15 billion years from our space/time coordinates is equal to 6 equivalent earth days at the inception space/time coordinates. There is no conflict with Genesis 1.
I go a bit further than Schroeder in asserting that God is the author of Genesis and the only observer of His own Creation and thus we must look at those Scriptures from the inception perspective until Adam is banished to mortality at the end of chapter 3, at which point the space/time perspective changes to Adamic man.
Therefore, I assert that the first three chapters of Scripture deal with the creation not only of the physical realm but the spiritual as well (Gen 1:1, Gen 2:4-5) For Scriptural evidence I point to these:
God created the plants and herbs before they were in the earth (Gen 2:4-5)
God’s curse to Adam was that he would die in the day (Gen 2:17) he ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil v that he died at age 930 (Gen 5:5) and that 1,000 years to man (Adamic perspective) should be understood as a “day” to God (Psalms 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8, Epistle of Barnabas, Enoch, et al).
The intersection or “types” in the physical realm and spiritual realm: Temple, Ark, Eden.
In sum - though I do not recall seeing a poll on the subject - it seems to me that most Christians and Jews would embrace the Intelligent Design hypothesis over Young Earth Creationism.
I have been posting on these threads for at least five years, and I am certain that most of the anti-evolution posters consider the most important things at stake to be the age of the earth and common descent -- concepts accepted by ID advocates.
There's a simple test of this. Just ask the people lurking or posting on this thread to check in and tell us if they accept common descent and a multi-billion year old earth and are, perhaps, merely concerned about the technical details of how variation occurs.
Yeah unless inbreeding was not to last forever..
You know, heaven and hell.. and man's bodies were merely a space suit so a "spirit" could function in this Universe..
DNA(rna) is/are plans for the space suit and have nothing to do with what life is..
More than likely they'll tell you you're headed straight to hell for believing the false religion of Darwinism.
With multiple misspellings, poor grammar, lots of capitals and maybe some colored fonts thrown in for good measure. And maybe as proof they'll reference the Second Law of Thermal Documents.
One does not go to hell because of what they believe or not believe..
You go to HELL because of who you AREN'T..
"You MUST be born again"- Jesus
Ray Bradbury wishes he had though of that for his Fahrenheit.
Huh?
If true, I would submit that the people on this forum who ignore the teachings of Jesus regarding revenge and treatment of one's enemies, are on the road to hell, regardless of their pious words. And non-believers, who believe those teachings in their hearts and practice those teachings, are better off. An interesting thought.
No cross forum attacks here. Can't happen.
On the other hand, no one on DC tries to win arguments by threatening their opponents with hellfire.
Being born again disqualifies you for HELL..
AND qualifies you for "Heaven".. whatever that is..
What you believe or disbeleive is minutia.. subject to the "Observer problem"..
Turn your collar back around you rascal..
True... I'm a bad bad man... a sinner really..
Difference between me and others is, I NEED Jesus.. They are self righteous..
Inbreeding appears to last as long as there are humans. If we are, in fact, descended from one pair of humans, and the human population was again bottlenecked with Noah's family, then everyone who has sex is, from a biological point of view, having sex with his parent's and siblings' space suits. Something for believers to think about.
Believers in what?..
I have noticed a distinct absence of self-righteousness and judgementalism in you. Your virtue in this regard sticks out like spines on a porcupine.
Believers that we are literally descended from two people. And again from eight. that would include all Jews, Christians and Muslims who take the Genesis creation story as literal history.
LoL... Hey.. Porcupines need love too.. carefully..
Is there anything else that disqualifies you?
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