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Senate `Killer' Amendments Threaten Immigration Plan
Yahoo! News ^ | June 22, 2007 | James Rowley and Nicholas Johnston

Posted on 06/23/2007 6:54:12 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This thing needs to be killed alive!

(that was a term a Chinese friend used for “gruesome murder”)


21 posted on 06/23/2007 7:18:07 AM PDT by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
**** We dont need an Amnesty bill. Welcome to KillBill 3 ****


I just had a vision. 'The Bride' doing to Congress what she did in the Nightclub in KB2.

(the final showdown would be with San Fran Nan)

22 posted on 06/23/2007 7:18:17 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And it would prohibit the sharing of citizens' tax information and Social Security data with immigration authorities after five years.

This is a necessary requirement...has he learned nothing from pre-9/11 that gov't agencies that deal with our security in any form MUST share intelligence?

23 posted on 06/23/2007 7:20:12 AM PDT by GailA (I'm a quilt-a-holic and proud of it. Run Fred Run!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; TommyDale; George W. Bush; Spiff; narses; flashbunny; pissant; stephenjohnbanker; ..
In a June 19 letter urging its rejection, Chertoff warned that the amendment.......would "continue a flourishing market for fake documents and identity fraud.''

Surprise, surprise, surprise----who knew ol' Chertoff was even awake----never mind knowing that these invaders FOR YEARS have used forged documents to undermine democracy and turn our Nation into a corrupt hellhole (like the ones from which they emanate).

When will this overseer of US security realize FOR YEARS our entire system of voting has been compromised by these invaders buying/using forged documents to register to vote.

With the vote, they can raid the US Treasury for endless government benefits for themselves and their endless string of illegal children and relatives.

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Illegal Immigrants Will Receive Welfare Under Senate Bill: Setting the Record Straight
www.heritage.org ^ | June 18, 2007 | Robert E. Rector
FR Posted on 06/18/2007 by dennisw

In criticizing recent Heritage Foundation research on the cost of low-skill immigration and amnesty, proponents of the Senate immigration legislation (S. 1348), including Administration spokesmen, have falsely claimed that the proposal would not give illegal immigrants access to the U.S. welfare system.

While provisions of the Senate bill would delay illegal immigrants' access to welfare for several years, over time nearly all amnesty recipients would be offered legal permanent residence and access to more than 60 federal means-tested welfare programs.

Specifically, Z visa holders would immediately be given Social Security numbers and would begin earning entitlement to Social Security and Medicare (which are not means-tested welfare programs).

Some ten to thirteen years after enactment, amnesty recipients would begin to gain access to a wide variety of means-tested welfare programs, such as Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, public housing, and Food Stamps. The amnesty process under S.1348, and the different stages of the process at which amnesty recipients become eligible for different government benefits, are precisely described in "Amnesty Will Cost U.S. Taxpayers at Least $2.6 Trillion."

24 posted on 06/23/2007 7:26:59 AM PDT by Liz (It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong. Voltaire)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I'm just waiting for the next fund raiser phone call from the GOP. Boy are they gonna get an earfull.

Got my call last night, and the earful followed. Between all the "But.."s and "I know.."s, I squeezed in my displeasure with Jorge Arbusto and the RINO's of Congress. After saying that I was strongly considering changing my affiliation to Independent, I hung up.

25 posted on 06/23/2007 7:27:01 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Another amendment, proposed by Missouri Republican Christopher Bond, would prohibit the 12 million people in the U.S. illegally to ever seek U.S. citizenship. Some supporters say the plan threatens a core principle of the legislation.

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If this comes to a vote we'll really see where everyone stands on amnesty.

26 posted on 06/23/2007 7:32:14 AM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
``I understand the criticism of people who think we haven't been serious about enforcing the law,'' said Kyl, the chief Republican sponsor. ``We need to respond to that.''

No, Senator Kyl, we aren't interested in your "responses" because you lied before and we will NEVER trust any of you again.

What you need to do is DEMONSTRATE enforcement of current laws for a significant period. Then we can talk.

Kyl said today the Menendez amendment would ``substantially upset the rather delicately balanced merit-based point system.''

Senator Kyl has publically stated that he would remove his support from the bill if certain amendments were added. The best thing he could do for himself would be to seize upon any amendment(s) available and declare that to be his out on supporting the bill.

Remember, Senator Kyl, we understand that a vote for cloture is a vote for the bill no matter how you vote on the bill itself.

You signed the Recall provision. Ask Gray Davis if you think it couldn't happen to you.

27 posted on 06/23/2007 7:33:06 AM PDT by Sal (I had an epiphany when my "good" Senator Kyl revealed himself to be a LIAR,corrupt to the core!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

``This is a delicate balance. The wheels could come off,’’ said Mississippi Senator Trent Lott, the Senate’s No. 2 Republican.

Trent’s #2 all right.


28 posted on 06/23/2007 7:57:05 AM PDT by OkieDoke (you picked a fine time to leave me, loose wheel)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Bond’s plan ``would probably be a deal killer.’’”

Ah yes, Mr. Bond, “OO7”, a LICENSE TO KILL. Good hunting.


29 posted on 06/23/2007 7:57:13 AM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Procedural snares and ``killer'' amendments threaten to disrupt the fragile coalition

Awwwwwww. TISSUE ALERT!


Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WVA) used a procedural snare to kill a similar amnesty bill that was floating through Congress when the 911 attacks occurred. In early 2002 Byrd used a technicality to stop that one dead.

I hope the ole Byrd can find a technicality, a procedural snare, to kill this one.

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Passage of the legislation would give 12 million undocumented immigrants a chance at legal status


That statement is misleading. The illegals get legal status the moment the bill is signed. The chance is for a Z-VISA (application encouraged, but not required) later.

How is that not amnesty, Mr. Bush? Mr. Snow? Mr. Chertoff? Mr. Specter? Mr. Graham? Mr. McCain? Mr. Kyl? Mr. Lott?

Mr. Chertoff's Department can't even handle the current load of proper passport applications of real American citizens. So, who and how are they going to process the millions of overnight new Z-VISA applications? They are going to need another level of bureacuracy!
30 posted on 06/23/2007 8:01:24 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST!


31 posted on 06/23/2007 8:04:12 AM PDT by wastedyears (Check my profile for links to anti-illegal immigration T-shirts.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

in NJ ~ the lib/dems have not done enough to destroy this state!!!!

now menendez wants to do for the USA what he and the lib/dems have done to NJ!!!!

this bill MUST be killed!!!!

the no cajones republicans with their leader jorge bush must NOT go along with fat ted kennedy and his minions that will bring down the US!!!!


32 posted on 06/23/2007 8:14:29 AM PDT by nyyankeefan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Our Sen. Smith (R-OR) is proposing a separate bill that would tell employers if name and SSN do not match, then no deduction of wages. No job, no reason to come here. This is a proposal that Lars Larson has been pushing as it was first proposed by one of the House members 4 years ago (forgot his name, sorry.) Smith is looking for a Dem co-sponsor right now. Simple concept that most folks can understand. Hopefully this will be an alternative that the Senate can find attractive.


33 posted on 06/23/2007 8:20:49 AM PDT by Blue_Spark
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

dog-and-pony show/smoke-and-mirrors

Don’t let the phony sputtering & outrage by Dims and RINOs take you in. They will continue to `piss and moan’, but it’s all just show business.
Once the treasonous sin-ators have succeeded in following their masters’ orders, and are successful in selling the USA by granting amnesty to illegal aliens, any onerous enforcement provisions will be ignored, just like current immigration laws.


34 posted on 06/23/2007 8:24:52 AM PDT by OkieDoke ("The wheels may fall off this thing" Trent Lott. You picked a fine time to leave me, loose-wheel, fo)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

I have called seven senators about cloture this am, the response...”you have been forwarded to an automated mail center, the mailbox of senator so and so, is full. Goodbye”


35 posted on 06/23/2007 8:38:33 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration.)
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To: goldstategop
..... And then vote out of office those who champion the sellout of our country.....

A Big Thumbs Up to That!

36 posted on 06/23/2007 8:59:06 AM PDT by Ron H. (Jorge Boosh is attempting to pull off the coup of modern time!)
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37 posted on 06/23/2007 9:00:57 AM PDT by Gritty (This [1986] amnesty will secure the borders. We will never again bring forth another-Teddy Kennedy)
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To: TornadoAlley3

We have written to our senators many times - they are McCain & Kyl - bummer..I know but when my husband called the GOP to remove our name from their membership roles, the nice young gal told us that she had removed several names the day before! :-)


38 posted on 06/23/2007 9:01:09 AM PDT by deener
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Procedural snares and ``killer’’ amendments threaten to disrupt the fragile coalition in the Senate that’s holding together the most sweeping overhaul of U.S. immigration policy since 1986.”

F the amendments. Kill the BILL!


39 posted on 06/23/2007 9:06:06 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile ("What a cruel reflection that a rich country cannot long be a free one." --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: deener

>> my husband called the GOP to remove our name from their membership roles

Same here. I removed my name from all email lists which are a complete waste of bytes, and I’m working on removal from mail lists.


40 posted on 06/23/2007 9:07:21 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Remember Rhode Island 2006)
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