MiG-31 Foxhound
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Posted on 06/22/2007 6:49:42 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
Russian newspapers are claiming that Russia has begun delivering 5 MiG-31E Foxhound aircraft to Syria under a deal that was reportedly negotiated in autumn 2006. The Russian newspaper Kommersant adds that:
"...a lot of MiG-29M/M2 jets was sold to Syria as well. They are being sold abroad for the first time and are similar in their technical specifications to the MiG-35 model Russia is now offering India. The total value of the contract for the MiG-31 and MiG-29M/M2 aircraft is estimated at $1 billion."
The paper adds that this amount raises questions, noting the likelihood that the deal is being financed by Iran as a back-door purchase....
A Cut-Out Purchase?
Kommersant cites a number of indicators that this may be the case, including a Jane's report in May 2007 that a similar arrangement has being used to funnel some of Syria's 36 new Pantsir-S1E air defense systems to Iran in exchange for a fence's (sorry, "intermediary") fee. They also cite the 2 countries' recent mutual defense agreements, including the July 2006 agreement signed by both countries' defense ministers, which envisaged Iranian financing of Syrian arms deals with Russia, Ukraine and China.
In response, Russian authorities have issued non-denial denials.
Russia's Foreign Ministry spokesman Mikhail Kamynin said in a statement that "...all of Russia's deals in the sphere of military-technical cooperation comply with international law and Russia's obligations under various treaties and United Nations resolutions." Since none of those obligation prohibit sales to Syria, this response is utterly meaningless.
Sergei Chemezov, head of state arms-trading monopoly Rosoboronexport, is quoted as saying that "Russia has no plans to deliver fighter jets to Syria and Iran." Of course, a sale of fighter jets only to Syria would comply with this statement - and if the Syrians choose to send them to Iran, that concerns Syria's plans and not Russia's.
The Aircraft
The MiG-31E is reportedly offered on a trade-in basis for countries that have the MiG-25 Foxbat interceptor, a list that includes only Syria, Libya, and Kazakhstan.
The big MiG-25 caused quite a sensation in the west when it was first unveiled, and incidents in which the planes were tracked at speeds around Mach 3 added to its mystique. In time, the west would learn that flying at speeds over Mach 2.5 had a tendency to melt the plane's engines, its range was extremely short (defector Viktor Belenko flew his MiG-25 from Russia to Japan, and the 1-way flight left his fuel tanks nearly dry), and its aerodynamic design and lack of a gun made it vulnerable in dogfights.
The MiG-31 made a virtue out of the Foxbat's vices, turning it into a 2-seat hunter-killer of cruise missiles via improved engines, the 'Flash Dance' electronically scanned radar, a retractable refueling probe, and an internal gun. Unlike its predecessor, the MiG-31 is capable of low-level supersonic flight, and can reach Mach 2.8 before its engines begin to melt. It also has communications capabilities that allow its pilot to view the full air battle in a C3I mini-AWACS role, and direct other aircraft like a chess player. Aeronautics.RU described the MiG-31E variant as:
"Export version of basic Type 01. Prototype ('903') first noted 1997; simplified systems, no active jammer, downgraded IFF, radar and DASS. Offered to China, India and other countries."
These planes could be of some use to Syria in an air defense role. Syria's air force, which was once reliably on the cutting edge of technology during its Cold War years as a Soviet proxy, has not modernized in over a decade. Iran's two air forces (regular and Revolutionary Guard) would find the MiG-31's style crimped by the absence of air-to-air refueling capabilities, but cruise missile defense is important to them given the likelihood of BGM-109 Tomahawks being used in any American strike. MiG-31s could also step into the 'fighter AWACS' role that has been played to date by Iran's dwindling but ingeniously maintained fleet of F-14A Tomcat fighters. This would be only marginally useful against a full American offensive, but could make a big difference to Iran's ability to cover limited targets against an Israeli strike on its nuclear bomb-making facilities.
Readers who really want to understand the MiG-31 are urged to book a flight for themselves.
As for the MiG-29, Syria already flies earlier versions. So does Iran, thanks to the Iraqi Air Force whose pilots fled to "safe haven" in Iran during the 1991 Gulf War.
The MiG-29OVT, aka. MiG-35, is a heavily upgraded MiG-29. Its most notable improvements include a new radar and avionics package to improve air-air performance and add ground-attack capability, extra fuel in a new aircraft "spine" down the back, and thrust-vectoring engines a la India's SU-30MKIs. German pilots who flew East Germany's older MiG-29s against NATO jets believed that the planes were nearly unbeatable in short-range dogfights when armed with Russia's AA-11/R-73 "Archer" short range missiles + helmet-mounted display systems.
The fallout from those encounters actually led Germany to quit the ASRAAM program, and begin work on the multinational IRIS-T short-range missile instead. It also led to helmet-mounted sights becoming standard equipment on most modern combat aircraft around the world.
The MiG-29's biggest weaknesses were short range, engines that produce telltale smoke (very bad in air combat) and lack of true multi-role capability. The MiG-35 fixes most of these, and adds thrust-vectoring capability to give the aircraft an additional super-maneuverability edge close-in. Its other weakness is Russian spare parts support; India found that the long turnaround times actually left a large portion of its MiG-29 fleet grounded, and has taken steps that include licensed local engine production.
In a situation where neither side had external advantages, when flown by pilots of comparable skill, and armed with similar missiles, it is likely that a MiG-35 would be an even adversary at least for any Israeli opponent, and any American aircraft other than the F-22A.
Of course, war isn't about even odds. War is about finding the most unbalancing things you can do, and doing them as quickly as you can. The use of true AWACS aircraft, electronic jamming, better radars, better missiles, and pilot skill differentials would all combine to ensure that any fight involving Israel vs. Syria or Iran vs. the USA would be anything but even. Syria's MiG-25s, MiG-23s, and MiG-21s experienced that first hand in 1982, when they were massacred 80 to 0 over Lebanon's Bekaa Valley.
* = I think the German translation of this L337 slang phrase ['pwn' = lit. to own, alt. dominate or crush, esp. in a video game], put into the plural, would be: "Uns haben euch gepwnen." To save the honor of my German teacher, however, I'm going to ask readers for help on this one...
If you are referring to Spier’s F-18, I believe it was brought down with a SAM.
I think we'd better pray this is one decision that will not be left up to the State Department...
Yeah...I’m not liking the possible scenarios that this could play into....and I know you know what I mean.
The initial report said it was a SAM, which then changed to the MiG-25 story. Odd that the Iraqi propaganda machine didn't talk about it. An Iraqi pilot shooting down a USN F/A-18 would have been useful for them.
However, perhaps, if true, the Iraqi MiG was then shot down by one of our jets and never got a chance to talk about it? Or perhaps, if true, it wasn't an Iraqi pilot, but rather a Russian pilot in the MiG and couldn't talk about it? Or, maybe it was a friendly fire mistake and we shot him down in the confusion of battle and we don't want to talk about it?
As they say, "the truth is out there"...whatever it may be.
I believe your analysis is correct. They simply could not afford to have Israel kick their teeth in again.
The Archer & the Israeli Python-4 were the best AAMs in the world till about 2000,after which the US fielded the AIM-9X variant of the Sidewinder,which is on par if not better.Having said that,numerous similar missiles have been developed by Israel,the Europeans & we don’t know whether the Archer has been upgraded as well.
Yes, I’ve heard the Python is very good.
The Israeli F-16C and F-15Cs are armed with Python 4 and now Python 5. Like the A-11/R-73 Archer, this is a helmet-sited all aspect missile capable of firing more than 180 degrees off the axis of the fighter. However the Israeli missiles are newer. The Python 4 has a range of 20km, 5km more than the A-11. The Python 5 could be the most advanced IR missle on earth. With a range of 25km, it recognizes the IR signature and image or the opposing fighter, rather than locking onto a heat source.
Even the F-104 Starfighter got f***ed by the Mig 21s in the Indo-Pak wars ;)
The F-104 is a good analogy for the MiG-25/31. It was a high speed interceptor, not really a dogfighter.
Besides, Indian pilots flying Cesnas could outfly the PAF.
I believe it. Intercepting a MiG-25 is not what the F-16 does best.
bump
Also, don’t forget that Russia is going to deploy PAK-FA next year. The PAK-FA looks like an F-23.
It does not matter which pieces of overrated russian junk the iranian cowards fly. They would be swept from the sky by either USAF or IDF pilots.
What migs and what war are you talking about? During Korea, we countered the Mig15 with the Sabre Jet(F86), and it had a 10 to 1 kill ratio over the Mig15. During Vietnam we screwed up because we used planes that didn’t have guns, and they couldn’t compete with the obsolete Mig17s the North Vietnamese had, but we fixed that and we developed the F15 eagle. This plane has never been shot down in combat and knocked the crap out of Migs during the first gulf war. It is still unbeatable and now we have the F22 Raptor if Bozo doesn’t decide we don’t need aircraft to fight a war, the way Clinton did when he decided to destroy a whole shit load of B52s.
I’m sorry. Why are you commenting on a post I made TWO YEARS AGO?
I thought this was the thread about Russia buying more mig29 for their nonexistent navy
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