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1 posted on 06/19/2007 7:58:53 AM PDT by SmithL
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Yes, but they were here legally and did not drain our economy via free medical care, free education, and welfare.


2 posted on 06/19/2007 8:03:56 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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I've learned while researching family history that the Catholic school in the Cleveland neighborhood where my grandpa grew up taught in both English and Polish.

There's a place for bilingual education as a stopgap, but only as a path to full English fluency. Then, unlike now, no one saw refusing to learn English as some sort of cultural identity preservation, they saw it as glupi

-Eric

3 posted on 06/19/2007 8:04:42 AM PDT by E Rocc (Myspace "Freepers" group moderator)
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Yeah, language is a non-issue for me. Children learn language when they’re young. We pick up vocabulary through absorption and no one really analyzes what they’re saying or writing when speaking in their natural tongue.

We can try to teach people second languages later in life, be it immigrants or our own native students learning a second language in high school, but it ends up being broken and survivalist. Our high school students don’t graduate fluent in Spanish and French, and we don’t really expect them to even though we force them to take the classes.

To speak a language WELL, you need to learn it before age 8 OR spent a LOOOOT of time in the culture where it dominates. I have immigrant relatives that can run their own business, but even 30 years into living in America, you can tell their language isn’t anywhere as good as a native. Their kids of course, speak Hollywood-accent English like anyone else who grew up on TV in America.


4 posted on 06/19/2007 8:06:50 AM PDT by AntiFed
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Funny; I don’t remember “Press 1 for English, press 2 for Polish” on phones in my neighborhood; nor do I remember anyone protesting for ballots or driving instruction in Polish. These Hispanic types can bite the bullet and learn the language or go back home.


7 posted on 06/19/2007 8:18:00 AM PDT by NRA1995 (Hillary sings like Granny Clampett auditioning for "American Idol")
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It was an odd comment coming from a German-speaking immigrant who came to the United States from a continent where children routinely learn to speak, read and write two or three languages.

Nothing odd about it. The governor was suggesting that immigrants to this country learn to speak, read and write in two (or more) languages—just so long as one of them is English.

That Schwarzenegger himself learned English when he came here lends credibility to his comments. He speaks from experience.

8 posted on 06/19/2007 8:32:06 AM PDT by Logophile
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I was pleased to hear Arnie say this, and I think most Hispanics know it and actually want their kids to have the English skills that would help them get ahead. One of the big problems, however, was "bilingual" education, which actually was monolingual in the non-English language, and trapped these kids in their foreign language. Since Hispanics are the largest group in many areas, it was possible for them to get by in those areas with very limited English, so they had no impetus to learn. Of course the teachers and "bilingual lobby" loved to keep those dollars flowing into their dead-end programs. And the state enforced it. I recall reading about one Hispanic family in New York who sued to keep their children out of the bilingual program there.

Bush and the GOP Congress drastically cut back on funds for bilingual ed, virtually eliminating it, although some states continued to fund it themselves. California stopped it except for particular situations. I have a very liberal relative who is an elementary teacher out there, and she was very upset about it - but then a year later, she told me that she was really surprised, but now that they'd gotten rid of the bilingual program, the Hispanic kids were learning English, adapting to the US, and getting along with the non-Hispanic kids a lot better! I didn't say "I told you so," but it was sure tempting...

11 posted on 06/19/2007 9:16:13 AM PDT by livius
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Crosslink: Arnold Was Right: Learn English!
13 posted on 06/19/2007 10:07:59 AM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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KEEP UP THE FIGHT, DON'T GIVE UP. . As I predicted they would try to resurrect it and call it something else. We have to keep our guard up. We need to keep the pressure up. We have no choice but to fight. The oligarchy wants cheap labor and a destruction of the middle class and the millionaire democrats want votes they can count on. A marriage made in HELL.

STAGE TWO is to go after the people who hire illegals. Start giving them fines and arresting them. Just catch ten or 100 of them on the nightly news. The magnet will dry up and most of the 12 million will go home by themselves.

As an addendum, we should anonymously call the IRS, people working "off the books" means taxes ain't being paid. Make anonymous fliers and hang them around the neighborhood, name names. It's time to embarrass these bustards, whether they give to the GOP or Rats, we don't need them.

CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!

WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!

Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them. This is a bipartisan issue not a Conservative or Liberal issue BUT AN AMERICAN issue.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

The best way to stop Shamnesty

21 posted on 06/19/2007 2:17:10 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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