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Kinda hard to believe I’m reading anything by Buchanan and thinking he’s right. But I am.
“This immigration bill is but a piece of a great global project already far advanced.”
And may very well include our 2008 elections, just as I believe it resulted in the election of Calderone and Harper.
Took my Bush 04’ sticker off my wife’s car today as well as the “ Sportsmen For Bush “ stickers I had on the F-150 4x4 for the last TWO elections . Done, Finished!! W gives me as bad a taste in my mouth as the Clintoons .
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I guess when a Know Nothing’s car breaks down they scream “Run you car you run or else” and expect the car to work.
You don’t fix a broken system by just screaming slogans and sitting around praising each other for the “brilliance” of your purist dogmas.
So since the dream bill doesn’t have the votes to pass. Are any of you willing to compromise on anything to get what you want on the border?
Cause this has been an odd debate.
For the last few years we heard a daily deluge of “DC got to do something about the Border or we are doomed”. So DC started doing some things and NOW “If DC does this we are doomed.”
So, what are any of you willing to compromise on to get some things done on this issue?
You don’t have the votes to pass only 100% of what you want into law. Listening to you, you will not accept anything less then 100% of what you want. At what point are you all going to realize that is a mutually exclusive position? You can have one or the other, you cannot have both. 100% of what you want, 0 of what you don’t want isn’t going to pass the Senate
So what is next? When this bill dies, what do you all do next? Other then bitch about everything endlessly again?
So, without all the usual histrionics, can some explain to me what you all want? Cause basically you are demanding action and refusing any action less then perfection which you don’t have the votes in DC to get.
Basically the end result is you all are maintaining the status quo. Which, as anyone who has read your posts to this board for the last few years, the status quo on the border is suppose to be “destroying the country”.
Frankly this whole debate has been rather surreal to watch.
The only people who have won anything are the illegals.
Cause now at least 2 more years will pass before this issue gets looked at again. This bill will die and no one in Congress is going to bring it up in an election year. Like every other serious topic, Congress will do everything it can to ignore this until after the elections now.
So maybe instead of just mindlessly screaming bile at everyone who doesn’t agree 100% with your personal Anti Illegal Immigration dogmas, maybe you all better start writing your own Immigration Reform bill and tell DC what you DO want.
Cause right now it seem that all you all really do want is just to be able sit around and bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch year after year after year.
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Democratic Congress Shows Cracks(”more than 60 seats in play in this cycle”)
Posted by MNJohnnie to kellynla
On News/Activism 06/18/2007 10:09:54 AM CDT · 56 of 60
85% of the votes against the Immigration bill came from Republicans.
80% of the votes for the Bill came from Democrats.
That is all a Republican candidate need point out when the Immigration issue comes up.
Think about this. If Pat who an 3rd party in 2000 & who I voted would have been presidnet do you really think that this nation would be in any worse mess than it is with this RINO president?
It dawned on me today that we need to kill this bill just to show the fascist Washington elites of both parties that they still have to answer to us. We need to kill it just to prove to our “leaders” who they answer to.
It is true there is long term trend and a desire by some ideologues to see the end of the nation-state, a concept that itself has been around for 500-600 years, superceding previous concepts of tribal and local affiliations.
it is also true that this ideal is not new, as many saw the World Wars as consequences of nationalism and sought the UN and other institutions to ‘solve’ the ‘problem’ of nationalism. The globalist agenda was born.
HOWEVER ... I believe that in bringing in these wider fears and in some cases conspiracy theories (I have yet to see any nation experience a loss of soveriegnty by building a road), we actually are diluting the immediate issue at hand wrt immigration.
It is tied to wider questions, but it is a more narrow and specific question - DO WE WANT AN IMMIGRATION SYSTEM THAT WORKS, WHEREBY WE HAVE A LEGAL PROCESS TO DETERMINE WHO COMES AND WHO DOES NOT AND HAVE EXECUTION AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT SYSTEM?
As of today - right now in June 2007 - THE #1 THREAT TO THE EXISTENCE OF A LAW-N-ORDER IMMIGRATION SYSTEM IS THE Z-VISA AMNESTY PROPOSAL IN THE SENATE IMMIGRATION BILL.
Further:
- we can be for economic integration and yet see amnesty as bad (some on the right might have this view)
- we can be against economic integration and yet not care about the trashing of immigration (Many leftists have this view)
“Now I’m agreeing with Pat Buchanan and starting to read NWO conspiacy theories.”
There is no conspiracy ... It’s a consensus. If you need to know more about this groupthink, there is a recent David Brooks column that encapsulated it.
CALL! CALL! CALL! CALL! AND KEEP CALLING TILL THE LINES FRY!
WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! WRITE! TILL YOU RUN OUT OF INK IN YOUR PEN!
Bombard the Democrats as well, especially the ones that ran on an anti illegal immigration plank and the ones in marginal districts who could be vulnerable. keep pounding on them. This is a bipartisan issue not a Conservative or Liberal issue BUT AN AMERICAN issue.