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'Should W Consider Early Retirement? In Mexico?'
NewsByUs.com ^ | Jun 18, 07 | Citizen Conservative

Posted on 06/18/2007 7:33:22 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch

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To: Lloyd227

Si,Adios Jorge!!!!!!!!


61 posted on 06/18/2007 9:27:54 AM PDT by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: SwinneySwitch
Yes!!!

Bush OUT!

62 posted on 06/18/2007 9:30:29 AM PDT by blam
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To: F15Eagle

you’re welcome/de nada
btw, doesn’t watching them split hairs/equivocate over what he meant further remind you of “progressives” about `98:

“He didn’t do it!”

“OK, he did it, but it wasn’t sex.”

“Granted it was sex, but it meant nothing.”

“OK, it meant something . . . but you’re stupid.”


63 posted on 06/18/2007 9:34:53 AM PDT by tumblindice (If I've told you once, I've told you a hundred million billion trillion times: stop exaggerating!)
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To: tumblindice

Very good find.


64 posted on 06/18/2007 9:41:57 AM PDT by kevao
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To: Chi-townChief

After all the riff-raff from Mexico comes up here, all that will be left down there are the elitists.


66 posted on 06/18/2007 10:05:20 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220
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To: SwinneySwitch; Lloyd227; Pharmboy; kevao; 1rudeboy; cinives; ghostrider; Sans-Culotte; COgamer; ...
Interesting question for you all. A straight up strict Border Enforcement bill went to the US Senate in 2006. The Democrat filibustered it.

So since your dream bill doesn’t have the votes to pass. Are any of you willing to compromise on anything to get what you want on the border?

Cause this has been an odd debate.

For the last few years we heard a daily deluge of “DC got to do something about the Border or we are doomed”. So DC started doing some things and NOW “If DC does this we are doomed.”

So, what are any of you willing to compromise on to get some things done on this issue?

You don’t have the votes to pass only 100% of what you want into law. Listening to you, you will not accept anything less then 100% of what you want. At what point are you all going to realize that is a mutually exclusive position? You can have one or the other, you cannot have both. 100% of what you want, 0 of what you don’t want isn’t going to pass the Senate

So what is next? When this bill dies, what do you all do next? Other then bitch about everything endlessly again?

So, without all the usual histrionics, can some explain to me what you all want? Cause basically you are demanding action and refusing any action less then perfection which you don’t have the votes in DC to get.

Basically the end result is you all are maintaining the status quo. Which, as anyone who has read your posts to this board for the last few years, the status quo on the border is suppose to be “destroying the country”.

Frankly this whole debate has been rather surreal to watch.

The only people who have won anything are the illegals.

Cause now at least 2 more years will pass before this issue gets looked at again. This bill will die and no one in Congress is going to bring it up in an election year. Like every other serious topic, Congress will do everything it can to ignore this until after the elections now.

So maybe instead of just mindlessly screaming bile at everyone who doesn’t agree 100% with your personal Anti Illegal Immigration dogmas, maybe you all better start writing your own Immigration Reform bill and tell DC what you DO want.

Cause right now it seem that all you all really do want is just to be able sit around and bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch year after year after year.

67 posted on 06/18/2007 10:08:18 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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To: MNJohnnie
What a shill.

Cause now at least 2 more years will pass before this issue gets looked at again. This bill will die and no one in Congress is going to bring it up in an election year. Like every other serious topic, Congress will do everything it can to ignore this until after the elections now.

No bill is better than this bill. Granting amnesty will turn the flood of illegals into a deluge as more come here to be in place for the next amnesty that comes about because the likes of Bush didn't do their jobs.

So maybe instead of just mindlessly screaming bile at everyone who doesn’t agree 100% with your personal Anti Illegal Immigration dogmas, maybe you all better start writing your own Immigration Reform bill and tell DC what you DO want.

Inhofe already wrote a bill. Try to keep up with current events and work a fact or two into your rants.

68 posted on 06/18/2007 10:10:56 AM PDT by dirtboy (A store clerk has done more to fight the WOT than Rudy.)
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To: MNJohnnie

I want the laws already on the books enforced.


69 posted on 06/18/2007 10:12:24 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: SwinneySwitch

It is high time the VP do his duty under the constitution and replace our sick President. He tried to do well but the job was obviously too much for him and now he is being led and not leading.

And those leading him are destroying America.


70 posted on 06/18/2007 10:16:09 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: MNJohnnie

Say what you want, curse who you want and ramble all you want. The facts are clear. This country is being invaded by illegal aliens and the President has made no effort to repell the invasion. Rather, he has only offered to surrender to them. He and his like on both sides of the isle have done nothing but talk. President Bush has done far more damage to the US by word and deed than has that infamous John Kerry, who many call a traitor.


71 posted on 06/18/2007 10:18:50 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: LadyNavyVet
I want the laws already on the books enforced.

This administration appears just too incompetent on too many fronts.

72 posted on 06/18/2007 10:19:21 AM PDT by tertiary01 (Corporate welfare: Socialize the costs- Privatize the profits)
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To: MNJohnnie

You say 85% of the votes AGAINST the Immigration bill came from Republicans.


So why is President Bush for it?


73 posted on 06/18/2007 10:20:09 AM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: MNJohnnie

Enforcement of the border and current laws is better than the status quo.

The status quo is better than granting amnesty to people who have trampled our immigration and labor laws.

I do not “mindlessly [scream] bile at everyone who doesn’t agree 100% with” me. I have noticed, however, that your posts tend to be somewhat less than cordial.


74 posted on 06/18/2007 10:21:06 AM PDT by kevao
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To: MNJohnnie
I don’t need 100% of what I want. If the Federales secure the border and prove it is secure, THEN we can talk about amnesties and guest worker programs. Anything else is subject to selective enforcement, which the Federales are experts at (see the previous "Fence" bill...).

The way I see it, if you don’t allow the Senate and the President to screw it up worse (which is what the bill does) the problem is still there to be fixed. After stopping the bill and punishing the Senators responsible, the remaining ones can use it for an issue in the next elections, 2008 and 2010. If they don't have the votes to pass a responsible border security policy, then they need to gather the votes the good ol' fashioned way - paint the Democrats as the party of treason and depose 'em.

In any case can you really trust any group of Senators that even refused an amendment to exclude the OBVIOUS undesirables like felons and gang members from the various provisions of the bill?

75 posted on 06/18/2007 10:27:58 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: If his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: texaslil
texaslil, I don't think Bush & family will want to 'retire' to Texas, either way this bill goes.

The trueblue conservative Constitution loving Texans will be a bone of contention to him the rest of his days...(if he's there)

..and it it fails, the big business good ole boys who are lining each other's pockets in hopes of this bill, will not be too happy with George!

A parachute is a kindness, especially since he's not giving US one while we're fighting & defending our sovereignty-(if this bill passes).

No, I don't see Bush retiring to the good state of Texas...

..I think he's bought that choice piece of property--(thousands of acres, I hear)--and it's all waiting for him in South America.

76 posted on 06/18/2007 10:31:58 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: MNJohnnie
When this bill dies, what do you all do next?

How 'bout asking them to enforce existing laws? Oh, I forgot... those are unenforceable, aren't they? Why will the new ones be enforced?

77 posted on 06/18/2007 10:38:33 AM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty)
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To: MNJohnnie
"So, what are any of you willing to compromise on to get some things done on this issue?"

Let me say this as clearly as I can.

Build the effing wall, North and South. Secure the airports and the harbors.

I do NOT see any reason to include ANY legislation regarding what to do with the illegals already here when discussing what to do with the borders.

Mixing the two and compromising is absolutely rediculous and I'm tired of hearing about it.

If Democrats won't go along with it, then leave them behind.

Republicans better shut the hell up until the borders are secure and forget about their North American Union ideas and their cheap labor supply from South of the border.

Build the wall - and don't bring up legalization of the current crop of illegals until the flow of new illegals has been stopped. PERIOD

Clear enough for you?

78 posted on 06/18/2007 10:38:57 AM PDT by Lloyd227 (and may God bless Oriana Fallaci)
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To: SwinneySwitch
If $4.4 billion will make America safer and is vital to homeland security, why has W not acted sooner?

You know where the $4.4 billion comes from???

Check this quote from a Wash Post article:

For his part, Bush sought to reassure conservatives that the controversial bill would provide resources for more effective border control, endorsing a new plan to devote $4.4 billion in fees raised by the legislation to bolstering border surveillance and preventing illegal immigrants from being hired in workplaces.

It's from fees collected from the illegal immigrants! We won't have $4.4 billion until we've processed all 12 or 20 million illegals. You realized with politicians like this we're screwed...
79 posted on 06/18/2007 10:39:17 AM PDT by weef
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To: 1rudeboy
It’s hilarious, but they don’t have an alternative. Imagine having to post “I was too stupid to make note of Bush’s campaign platform” every day.

When the Republicans picked George Jr. to be the presidential candidate in 2000, I was so pissed off I can't describe it. Why? For two reasons: 1) I hated George Sr. and figured George Jr. would be more of the same, 2) Al Gore was the Dem candidate, and the whole country thought he was such a goofball that any decent Republican candidate could have won in a walk, yet the Republicans picked someone who had baggage - namely that his father had tainted the name of George Bush. As a result of that poor decision, the Republicans damn near lost what should have been a slam-dunk election, and we were all subjected to weeks of Consitution-bending legal games.

With that in mind, I voted for George W. in 2000 because Gore was unthinkable. I voted for George W. in 2004 because that traitor Kerry was unthinkable. I'll admit, I didn't know much about Bush's pro-raza world view when I voted for him, but had I known, I still probably would have voted for him, since the alternative was intolerable.

Since George W. and his supporters now use that vote as an excuse to justify every anti-conservative thing Bush does, I am officially done voting for the lesser fo two evils.
80 posted on 06/18/2007 11:20:34 AM PDT by fr_freak
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